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Alabama people.. Paul Hubbert has died
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:51 pm
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Former Alabama Education Association executive secretary Paul Hubbert has died, the Alabama Media Group has learned. He was 78.
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Leaving behind a crooked legacy.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 7:40 pm to Alahunter
I just saw Alabama, Paul, and died and instantly thought Finebaum.
shite.
shite.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 7:48 pm to Alahunter
I hope his family is at peace.
I have little good to say about Hubbert himself, though. He single-handedly was responsible for holding back the Education system of Alabama through his own personal playground and slush fund called the AEA.
I have little good to say about Hubbert himself, though. He single-handedly was responsible for holding back the Education system of Alabama through his own personal playground and slush fund called the AEA.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 10:20 pm to iglass
My personal favorite was the way he got himself, as head of the teacher's union, included in the state retirement system despite not being a public employee.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:33 am to Alahunter
Great man and a huge loss for the state of Alabama.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:52 am to The Spleen
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Great man and a huge loss for the state of Alabama.
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Leaving behind a crooked legacy.
Always enjoy the delta between the two of you.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:54 am to The Spleen
Not sure if serious.......
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:10 am to Aubie Spr96
Yes, I'm serious. He did more for public education in this state than anyone else during his time.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 1:47 pm to The Spleen
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He did more for public education in this state than anyone else during his time.
During his time with the AEA, Alabama ranked right at or last in every category recorded, all the while seeing the AEA grow tenfold. Only in the last few years, since the old leftist Democratic party has all but been wiped out in the state, have we seen some increases.
He did see to it that teacher salaries were increased (but no more than other states, and much less than many) and teacher tenure secured, regardless of ability or accountability (which is my only problem with it).
What he did, he did for his constituents, I understand that is what he was put into the position for. I'm an educator and a moderate on most issues, but his time with the AEA was not, in humble opinion, great for public schools.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 2:58 pm to The Spleen
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Yes, I'm serious. He did more for public education in this state than anyone else during his time.
You're better than this. He did more for teachers' salary and tenure in that state than anyone else during his time.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 3:12 pm to Bham4Tide
Big Union bullshite
While I'll never be happy that someone died, I won't miss his tenure as a dirty union boss.
While I'll never be happy that someone died, I won't miss his tenure as a dirty union boss.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 3:29 pm to 3nOut
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He did more for teachers' salary and tenure
He did a lot more than that. He was instrumental in getting the Education Trust Fund set up, which is a totally separate budget from the general budget. He thwarted several attempts by different governors to raid the education fund to make up shortfalls in the general budget. That's huge in a state that already gives very little to its schools. He also was instrumental, along with Joe Reed, in guiding the state schools through Federally mandated integration in the early 70's. Don't get caught up in the right wing, anti-union rhetoric. Yes, ultimately he was the head of a union, but his work went well beyong getting teacher's higher salaries and tenure.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:03 pm to Alahunter
AEA hurt education in AL more than about anything. But when I was a kid, I enjoyed their holidays!
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:03 pm to The Spleen
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He thwarted several attempts by different governors to raid the education fund to make up shortfalls in the general budget. That's huge in a state that already gives very little to its schools. He also was instrumental, along with Joe Reed, in guiding the state schools through Federally mandated integration in the early 70's
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Don't get caught up in the right wing, anti-union rhetoric.
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Hubbert and the AEA won one of their first major battles in 1971, when they were able to keep then-Democratic Gov. George Wallace from directing funds meant for education and diverting them to the state retirement system.
it's not right wing anti union rhetoric. it's just that i don't have anything good to say about unions in their present stage.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:19 pm to The Spleen
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Don't get caught up in the right wing, anti-union rhetoric. Yes, ultimately he was the head of a union, but his work went well beyong getting teacher's higher salaries and tenure.
That is fine. But don't you get caught up in the AEA rhetoric as well. Do you really think all conservatives want to raid the education fund and not pay teachers? That is just silly. Most over-the-mountain (Birmingham metro) school systems pay teachers more than anywhere else in the state, yet they are majority conservative.
Hubbert's opposition to charter schools and Bradley Byrne (who I thought could finally be the progressive education Governor this state has needed for decades), hurt my opinion of his politics. But again, that is what he was paid to do at one time. Can't fault him for being very good at his job.
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:26 pm to Bham4Tide
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Hubbert's opposition to charter schools
I can honestly say I hope Kentucky never allows them here. I've had to deal with some out of state charter schools and we've had several that kept shoddy records at best and several who just up and closed down due to issue with funding and administration. We've also seen several of the students coming from them struggle academically when they're back in a formal education setting.
Definitely not a fan.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:29 pm to Bham4Tide
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But don't you get caught up in the AEA rhetoric as well
I'm really not an AEA supporter. I do think Hubbert became too powerful and did things to damage the AEA and education in this state. I don't think that undermines the positive things he did though. I know dozens of people that have dealt with him personally, and not a single one has a bad thing to say about him. And they come from both sides of the political spectrum. I think a lot of the vitriol directed at him comes from those that never met the guy.
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Do you really think all conservatives want to raid the education fund and not pay teachers?
Of course not. But even as recently as a couple of months ago our governor mentioned raiding it to use for industry recruitment. I don't think he seriously considered it, but it's something that seems to always be on the table when the general budget is nearing a shortfall.
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Most over-the-mountain (Birmingham metro) school systems pay teachers more than anywhere else in the state, yet they are majority conservative.
Yeah, and they also have higher property taxes to fund those higher salaries and keep the undesirables from moving into the district.
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Hubbert's opposition to charter schools and Bradley Byrne (who I thought could finally be the progressive education Governor this state has needed for decades), hurt my opinion of his politics
Agreed on Byrne. I liked Byrne despite his close relationship with Riley. Agreed with Hubbert's opposition with charter schools, but that's another discussion for another day.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:36 pm to BluegrassBelle
I see nothing wrong with giving people an alternative - if there are clearly defined checks and balances and if the local schools are failing them.
I am mostly in favor of charters for other reasons. While I'm a big proponent of collaborative and integrated education for all, I do see a need for schools designed for special needs and/or specialty areas.
I am mostly in favor of charters for other reasons. While I'm a big proponent of collaborative and integrated education for all, I do see a need for schools designed for special needs and/or specialty areas.
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