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Posted on 10/14/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 10/14/14 at 2:51 pm
When the ball was handed to Andre Deobose on the jet sweep and he went for 35 yards. I was ecstatic. I had been wating for that play and specifically for Debose to get not only a touch but to see what he can do in the open field. Why we never ran that play one or 2 more times is beyond me. Much like the Valdez Showers skinny post from the slot at Bama that we got the TD on that we never attempted again. Its almost as if when this offense gets big plays, those big plays get looked at like they are flukes and extremely lucky and the stuff we do run that gets 0-3 yards is looked at like "better execution and we will get big yards next time". Its damn near maddening. This isnt a fire the coaching staff and we suck thread. This a how would you fix the offense if you were the coordinator or coach type of thread. This is a safe thread so to speak.

After 5 games this is what I have noticed.

We are pretty much running a jumbo set smash mouth spread from what I have seen. Roper ran at it Duke from the film I watched of them last year but he only ran it about 15-20% of the time and the TE was the bigggest threat out of that set and alot of the time it was double TE crossing patterns or double rollouts, which is something we are lacking (if we aint got one TE, we damn sure aint got two) losing Jake McGee. If McGee is in that game we win Saturday night.

Some things I would do moving forward.

Oline

DJ Humphries has regressed since his freshmen year. I have seen this guy whiff on way to many blocks (i know he has been injured) and it was reported in fall camp he was getting beat every other play. Johnson and Sharpe have outplayed him this year and they have their underclassman moments but Hump is still having those moments too. Its time for one of those 2 take his job and he needs to be regulated to a back up role were he comes in fresh and the defenders are tired. Other than Humphries the Oline has not been that bad this year. Summers was a great hire.

TE

Its time to mix it up here. DeAndre Goolsby and C'yontai Lewis need to be thrown out there to see what happens. With Westbrook and Burton the only thing you are getting from that position is good blocking. Goolsby and Lewis are both 6-4 and 225 and 230 respectably (and thats what they reported to UF at). They have the size to lay some blocks, matter of fact Lewis was a blocking machine in camp and Goolsby pancaked Fowler two times in the same scrimmage in camp. His blocking abilities ar highly underrated and he was better at catching then McGee in camp and was considered to be the best route runner of all the TE's. Lewis is just a straight athlete that can beast on you at any moment. With Westbrook and Burton you are just getting good blockers that are gonna drop passes. With Goolsby and Lewis you are getting good blockers that can also catch and be a weapon. Especially Goolsby if you watch his tape he could be a great redzone threat.

RB

It simple to me. If we are running 85-90 plays (which we should be in a hurry up, which I have yet to really see us run) at least 60-65 of our plays should be runs. We have too much of a deep and talented backfield to not be a run heavy team.
The touches should go like this.

Matt Jones - 30 carries
Kelvin Taylor - 20 carries
Brandon Powell - 10 carries
Adam Lane - gets the ball every time we need 2 yards or less to get a first down or a touchdown. I am so dissapointed that Lane didnt get the carry at the goal line to put the game away.
Debose - 4 or 5 jet sweeps a game.

We also might need to go into a 2 rb on the field at the same time system but I will get into that later.

WR

Well here goes nothing. For a spread offense we utilize the slot receiver less then any spread offense I have ever seen. Usually in a spread the slot is the biggest weapon and the most productive receiver because they are the hardest to defend not to mention the biggest headache for linebackers and safties to figure out whos got the responsiblity of covering him.

For the slot positon here is what needs to happen. Pittman has got to get benched. Happy he is ok from the injury but he has got to go ride the pine. He drops everything and never gets consistent seperation. Only one time this year has he made a good play (that was the Tennessee game). Two options here. One, put Debose in the slot and have him run underneath routes all day and send him deep every time the safeties cheat up. Two, put Chris Thompson in at slot. Putting Thompson in at slot should be a no brainer. The kid can catch, the kid can block and once he gets going he can put on the after burners. Toward the end of last season, I thought Thompson was the best all arund WR we had. Personally I would put Thompson in at the slot position which leads me in to what I would do with Debose.

With Debose, you have one hell of an athlete. He runs the go-route better then any receiver we have. Just run gos and streaks with him and deep inside post. He will command safety help over the top every time. He is that fast, plus he can catch a ball when its in front of him. Not so much when has to turn his head and body back and adjust on the go. Debose streaking up and down the field would clear up alot of space on one side of the field. Dermarcus Robinson shows up every other game but once he gets consistent it doesnt matter where he lines up he will be a threat any where. Dunbar has dropped ay to many passes this year. Its time to give Worton and Alvin Bailey a shot and see what they can do. Chris Leak, great Gator and all but I am starting to believe he is in over his head as a WR coach. He probably knows X's and O's better then anybody and can teach these guys why a QB throws to a certain receiver on a chekdown and stuff like that but I dont think he can really teach the receivers the little nuances of the positions. Such as the perfect time to make a cut on a safety in the open field, how to use your elbows for seperation, etc. The staff should hire any ex WR that has a little coaching experience to help him out imo.

QB

Treon needs to start but Driskel needs to stay engaged so he doesnt become a total headcase. Even if its a token QB dive play once a quarter he needs to stay engaged in-case Harris doesnt live up to expectations or an injury happens. Thats all that really needs to be said about that.

Scheme

I say we stay with the same scheme only if we give Lewis and Goolsby a shot at TE. If the staff doesnt feel comfortable with them, then its time to move on to a 2 rb type of spread running attack. If the staff still thinks Taylors pass protection is a too much of a liablity then we need to go to a 4 wide out, one rb type of spread. I say this because a smasmouth type running type of spread will only work if you have legitimate TE threats. Some how Taylor has got to get more involved. He has great vision and that would lead to big plays. Pass protection poblems be damned he has got to get the ball in has hands.

Outside of firing everybody which is what people will probably say anyway What would yall do to get the offense rolling with personnel, playcalling, and game planning.
Posted by Gator5220
Member since Aug 2010
3131 posts
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:11 pm to
John McKay coached the TB Bucs in the 70s during a winless season. After a loss he was asked what he thought about the execution of his offense. He replied, "I'm all for it."

Posted by olemc999
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:19 pm to
I love me some John McKay quotes.

"If you have everyone back from a team that lost 10 games, experience isnt too important"

Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:19 pm to
Id recruit some more offensive players and I would give Lane a chance to carry the ball. Id keep using Brandon Powell, DRob and would start getting reps from CJ Worton to see what he has. The WR corps for the most part is holding us back.

Don't count on many wins with true frosh starting games and playing over 90% of snaps....ask LSU why Jennings was the only QB who played against us...their true frosh QB Harris got them killed by AU 41-7. Play him? Yes...but alternate some with Driskel. Be careful what you wish for.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 7:35 pm
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:01 am to
2 things....

You cannot run a hurry up if you aren't moving the chains.

Your offense is as limited as your QB's ability.



Both Roper and Summers were fine hires.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:30 am to
Driskel can't read a defense to save his life - so I doubt Treon can be any worse in that regard.

Also - to me, Jeff looks scared. Treon didn't look scared to me.

We'll see if that confidence can maybe infect the rest of the team.

My expectations though, are low.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 10:39 am to
Everyone's confidence in regards to the offense should be shot with JD leading it. It is what it is at this point.
Posted by olemc999
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:56 am to
quote:

You cannot run a hurry up if you aren't moving the chains.


Even when we got 25 first downs against EMU and 28 first downs against UK we never ran it.
Posted by SailorGator
Member since Sep 2014
1395 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:36 pm to
i think we have a serious lack of teaching going on. the offense, and at times, the defense, seem completely lost.

having good athletes on defense covers this up somewhat, but on offense its a killer. not an accident our offense has sucked going on 4 years under muschamp.

while driskel hasnt lived up to anything, i feel bad for him. wonder how he would have looked with a guy like mullen. he hasnt been developed at all, just like the rest of the team.

how come kt doesnt know how to pass protect, how come humphries doesnt look any better going on 3 years? is there a worse set of receivers in football?

normally i guess we could blame a player or 2 here and there, but we look lost and unorganized across the board. especially at wr and oline.

if an oline cant play sound football as a unit, i dont care who the qb is, they are gonna struggle. even a bad oline that can play together helps, but we cant even do that.

go Gators.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 6:38 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

i think we have a serious lack of teaching going on. the offense, and at times, the defense, seem completely lost.

having good athletes on defense covers this up somewhat, but on offense its a killer. not an accident our offense has sucked going on 4 years under muschamp.

while driskel hasnt lived up to anything, i feel bad for him. wonder how he would have looked with a guy like mullen. he hasnt been developed at all, just like the rest of the team.

how come kt doesnt know how to pass protect, how come humphries doesnt look any better going on 3 years? is there a worse set of receivers in football?

normally i guess we could blame a player or 2 here and there, but we look lost and unorganized across the board. especially at wr and oline.

if an oline cant play sound football as a unit, i dont care who the qb is, they are gonna struggle. even a bad oline that can play together helps, but we cant even do that.

go Gators.


This, all of this.

We don't have a team.

We have a bunch of individuals who absolutely refuse to work together.

When I was doing combat simulation for the Army, I noticed that guys who perform exceptionally well also communicate without using words very well.

If your battle buddy loses his grip on a situation, it's up to you to be intelligent, expeditious and in the right position to help him out.

Our safeties are more like corner backs, focused solely on their duty when they need to simply play smarter, and recognize when a CB or LB has a botched coverage.

It just looks...bad. Unorganized.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:48 pm to
quote:

while driskel hasnt lived up to anything, i feel bad for him. wonder how he would have looked with a guy like mullen. he hasnt been developed at all,


quote:

SailorGator


Sailor....don't know how long you have followed Mullen...but a safe assumption is not that long or maybe you weren't aware of how Moo State has not been exactly an offensive powerhouse under Mullen....so I guess I will prove my point. (I do have a lot of ststs at my disposal) I understand the frustration about our offense...trust me. But Mullen is now deemed a great coach all of a sudden because of this years success and Im happy for him...BUT lets dig a little deeper shall we?


Miss State Season Stats on offense 2009-2012:

2009 scored average 25.6 pts game in 12 games/had 78 first downs in 12 games via passes/total passing yds for 12 games was 1722 yds/threw 17 interceptions vs only 9 TDs passing/13 fumbles lost 24 sacks 33% third downs

2010 scored 29 points a game in 13 games (2nd year went to Gator Bowl...Boom went to BCS bowl btw)18 tds passing in 13 games vs 13 interceptions/111 first downs via passing/8 fumbles lost/23 sacks (overall decent improvement)

2011 25.3 points a game/101 first downs via passing/13 interceptions vs 19 passing TDs/27 sacks all in 13 games

2012 29.5 points a game/149 first downs via passing/10 interceptions vs 28 TDs passing/19 sacks in 13 games

There you go. He is credited with being Tebows OC...but a dog with a note in his mouth could have taught Tim. Not saying Mullen isn't a good coach....just lets not jump to conclusions not supported by facts.

Granted Moo State cant begin to compete with UF for resources in recruiting. Historically MSU is a lunch pail team that scraps... even before Danny Boy got there.

Prescott is very good athlete and qb...has the stature to get tough yds when needed and throws deep passes well.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:56 pm to
quote:

Sailor....don't know how long you have followed Mullen...but a safe assumption is not that long or maybe you weren't aware of how Moo State has not been exactly an offensive powerhouse under Mullen....so I guess I will prove my point. (I do have a lot of ststs at my disposal) I understand the frustration about our offense...trust me. But Mullen is now deemed a great coach all of a sudden because of this years success and Im happy for him...BUT lets dig a little deeper shall we?


Reel, I love you, not in a trendy kinda way but in an All Kinds of Weather kinda way.

He's at Mississippi State. Want to post what they've done in the past decade? Two decades?

He doesn't have fantastic recruiting classes, and look at who he's beating.

Driskel is the type of quarterback that you want -- tall, strong, dual-threat, but putting him in a pro-style system really wrecked him.

I'm sure getting sacked 8 times in one game also hurt him.

But Dan Mullen is doing better with less than what Muschamp has, and that should at the very least give you pause, my friend.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 5:42 am to
Straw....I fully expected something like stats to be ignored by you man Lets not let facts get in the way of a debate...right?

Mullen will be lauded as the OC at UF during our success with Tebow...but hell...anyone could have coached Tebow....even a dog with a note in his mouth.

Don't have anything against Mullen at all....but posted stats of his first four years just for comparison sake.

What puzzles me is that all spring/summer/fall camps Roper gave glowing of how well Driskel picked up the new offense yada yada...welllll, show me the money! What has changed? Did Driskel all of a sudden forget everything? I think we need to hold the OC accountable somewhat. Funny how there are no media types hanging around to interview Roper? Gee.

I got some bad news for some of you folks..Imo Boom is going to be our HC for a while.

Look at the rant board and see the shite show about Bama....Jesus H. Christ...these people aren't fans...one freaking loss and a close game on the road and they are ready to jump off a bridge. They fvcking won at Arkie.

This is the kind of thing that drove Spurrier away from UF..he knew he created a monster with all of his success and newer fans didn't give a flip about the 1970s and 80s.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:09 am to
quote:

Mullen will be lauded as the OC at UF during our success with Tebow...but hell...anyone could have coached Tebow....even a dog with a note in his mouth.


I'll wager Muschamp could not have.

quote:

OC accountable somewhat.


When you've had three different offensive coordinators and the same results produced every time -- imagine having three different rifles and having it malfunction consistently every time.

It's probably not the equipment, it's probably the operator.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 10:11 am
Posted by SailorGator
Member since Sep 2014
1395 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:36 pm to
your comparing state and UF? srsly?

im not saying mullen is the next SOS or that i want him as a coach(im partial to freeze or richrod), but he knows how to develop qbs and fit the offense and playcalling around them. if tebow played at a small high school that know one knew anything about and wasnt heavily recruited, then he is dak prescott or a te in college. tim had to have the right offense to play in, the right coach to put him in position to excel. development aside.

im not refuting any of your statistical evidence, but playing with state players in the sec west is a different monster. the defenses in br( until recently) and tuscaloosa since 09 have been ridiculous.

to take it a step further, i think driskel would be an excellent qb under freeze. dak prescott is NOT a good passer, hes developed into a solid one that plays within himself (most of the time) and is a big threat to run, which is what jd should always have been. hes actually a better athlete than tebow or prescott, damn shame that it is. at the least, driskel could have been chris relf just a LOT better.

neither prescott or wallace with be anything in the nfl, but they have coaches who know how to get the most out of their players. we cant even get 3rd year starters to play up to speed.

shame of it is that i really like champ as a person and a figurehead.

quote:

This is the kind of thing that drove Spurrier away from UF..he knew he created a monster with all of his success and newer fans didn't give a flip about the 1970s and 80s


i dont disagree with this at all.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted by SailorGator
Member since Sep 2014
1395 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

It's probably not the equipment, it's probably the operator.


yup, after a few shots one should have a decent feel for where the bullets are headed regardless of rifle.
Posted by SailorGator
Member since Sep 2014
1395 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:40 pm to
quote:

If your battle buddy loses his grip on a situation, it's up to you to be intelligent, expeditious and in the right position to help him out.


yes sir. when people give a shite, it shows.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

to take it a step further, i think driskel would be an excellent qb under freeze. dak prescott is NOT a good passer, hes developed into a solid one that plays within himself (most of the time) and is a big threat to run, which is what jd should always have been. hes actually a better athlete than tebow or prescott, damn shame that it is. at the least, driskel could have been chris relf just a LOT better.


If he hadn't wasted two frickin' years playing a pro-style, drop back passer with an unbelievably horrible line and had an actual QB coach with him worth anything he'd be great.

Dude's built for success, our coaching staff is not.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 5:48 pm to
quote:

yes sir. when people give a shite, it shows.


Not that this should be at all an excuse, but if the offense doesn't get their shite together soon, the defense WILL collapse like it did last year.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:05 pm to
Lol you guys crack me up. It is year 4 for JD and he is regressing. Regressing in an offense that he should excel in. One with a very simple route tree and his OL is keeping him clean. People will make excuses for him because he is likable. Bottom line is he doesn't have the accuracy, nor does he have the mental aptitude to process the game from a throwing perspective. I'm not gonna argue about it.... Year 4, regressing... Turning the ball over.... Same JD.
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