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Underachieving and Overachieving Programs in the SEC?

Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:46 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:46 pm
So all the talk about Michigan sucking this year made me realize how completely underachieving that program is. One of the greatest football brands of all time, and they have won a half of a national title since 1950. Michigan isn't alone though. I know A&M is also an underachiever, as are many SEC programs.

How would you rank the programs in the SEC, from underachiever to overachiever? My list (all time) would be:

1. Georgia - better setup than anyone in the country IMHO as the only THE program in a huge football talent state. Like LSU on roids. I feel like they are still stuck in the past with ancient ideas on college football and how a program is run, and within a decade they will modernize and run through coaching hires like butter to get one up to their standard.

2. USC - I guess I don't get the whole thing that maybe Clemson is the better brand. What I see is THE state school, in a good state for talent, that was terrible prior to the current coach. They should have at least one national title, Clemson or not.

3. A&M - With no national title since 39 in a talent rich state like Texas we have to make the top three. Only thing keeping us off the top is that we aren't the THE state school like Georgia is, but we still should be much better on average than the program we were in the 00s.

4. Kentucky - this program is pretty bad and it should be better. Their state is so-so in talent, but right next to them is talent rich Ohio and Virginia. I think UK is too quick to give up and focus on basketball when it should be a Arky-level program

5. Ole Miss - I know we always joke that if there was a single landmass program then that program would kick arse. Honestly I think that program should exist and it should have been Ole Miss. They were the ones with the historical pride of the state, they should have crushed MSU out of any picture Georgia Tech or Vanderbilt-style YEARS ago. Ole Miss does great for what it has now, but it makes this list because they should be more.

6. Florida - Without Spurrier they would have led this list. I feel like they still belong in the top half despite his and Urban's run because UF is cheap. They should never be hiring someone as a head coach without head coaching experience. The fact that they did shows they are not ready to stand toe-to-toe to a Texas, tOSU or USC on anything other than the Capital One Second Place Cup (because lets be honest that is the ceiling on that thing).

7. Mizzou - They had a good season last year, and they beat Aggie arse on the reg the last decade so I can't talk too much shite. Still, a program that is THE state program in such a populated state (and close to the football talent concentration of Illinois) should have at least one national title or two. So the are on the underachieving side of the fence, just barely.

8. LSU - I think LSU does as well as they should do given their resources in local talent. In 1999 they would be ahead of us on this list, but today here they sit in the middle.

9. Vanderbilt - If I was judging them just on the last coach I would put them lower, but they really cheaped out with the replacement who is having a program-destroying kind of season so I will stick them near the middle.

10. Arky - They do pretty well for themselves given the crappy local talent. I do think they should recruit Texas better in the modern era, especially when the SEC is now in Texas, but they do a little better than their region would normally allow them to do.

11. MSU - they haven't won a lot but they don't historically have a lot. Actually I think they do better than their setup- compare them to a Wake Forest or Iowa St.- so here they are at the bottom.

12. Tennessee - Honestly given their local talent their history shocks me. I know back in 1970s or whatever there were only like 10 programs on TV and Tenn was one of them giving them some sort of artificial recruiting caste system boost, but seriously it is kinda amazing the second best SEC program alltime isn't in Florida or Georgia. They suck now or they would be at the absolute bottom.

13. Alabama - Maybe the best program of all time, in what is not the best state for college football talent. That is enough to get near the bottom of this list. Bama's historical overachieving put the SEC on the map nationally and I respect that. Only reason they are 13 is because I feel they have been THE major powerhouse in their region for most of their existence, which in the caste system that is college football makes for easier pickings than if they would have tried to rise to where they are now in the 80's or something.

14.Auburn - Sure the state produces decent talent, but Auburn has figured out how to rise above that and be relevant on the national title scene. Oh, and they have the best program in history sharing their state and the STILL find a way to not only put out a competitive team but downright elite ones. Seriously, given how much oxygen the elephant takes up in what is a very small room, Auburn should be a Vandy - asphyxiated to near death. But they have not only risen above that level they have gotten to the top time and time again. Hence they are the most overachieving SEC program in my opinion.

Your list or thoughts?
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:48 pm to
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2. USC - I guess I don't get the whole thing that maybe Clemson is the better brand. What I see is THE state school, in a good state for talent, that was terrible prior to the current coach. They should have at least one national title, Clemson or not.

Are you familiar with South Carolina before 2010?
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61555 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:48 pm to
1 and 14 are correct...


Does Alabama really over achieve? No. They are closer to UGA than to Auburn




This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 3:50 pm
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22844 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:49 pm to
Prepare your anus for UGA posters

Also

quote:

the only THE program in a huge football talent state.


Tech has a national title
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 3:51 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

Are you familiar with South Carolina before 2010?



I like you CNB, but in 2010 I thought your program was basically a retirement plan for HOF coaches.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61555 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

Prepare your anus for UGA posters


I think most logical UGA posters understand where they fall on this list


Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22844 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:52 pm to
I agree with UGA at #1 but some people may leak from our board...
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

They are closer to UGA than to Auburn


No way. They have had a lot of success for such a small state, well beyond other powerhouses such as tOSU or Texas.

I get your point, now they have a lot of momentum and should do well. But they got there by overachieving in Rose Bowls back when my grandaddy was born and I respect that.
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95870 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:52 pm to
Exactly. I don't see where that one title is coming from. Maybe if we weren't in the SEC, we would have at least played for one maybe. But 4th or 5th in the country is good enough for 3rd in the SEC
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28280 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

I think most logical UGA posters understand where they fall on this list


I am sure all three of them understand it.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22844 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:55 pm to
Tbh though UGA has been pretty unlucky the last 15 years or so. They havent gotten some breaks that other teams have gotten but luck is part of the equation I guess . With that said, still underachieve.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 3:55 pm
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15369 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

Does Alabama really over achieve? No. They are closer to UGA than to Auburn



What color is the sky in your world?

Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61555 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

No way. They have had a lot of success for such a small state, well beyond other powerhouses such as tOSU or Texas.


Alabama has had 6 straight years of #1 recruiting classes. They basically pick who they want. The supposedly have the best coach in college football and possible one of the best ever. The best facilities, the best everything


And yet, they failed last year. They will fail again this year.

Once they fail this year, what will be the opinion of them? How do you take all that talent and you have shite for a QB, shite for a kicking game, etc.

With that talent and that coaching staff, they should totally dominate everybody






Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

Tech has a national title


Yeah, but lets be honest- the momentum from that is dead and buried. Heck didn't they share the title with Colorado? Neither program benefits from it today.

Georgia has crushed Tech to the point where they are EASILY the weakest #2 program (relatively) from a major state in Power 5 football. Seriously, you can't claim Tech as a reason y'all shouldn't be #1.

The reason yall are #1 is a bunch of antiquated ideas like loyalty to head coaches still exists and the point of a football program is to graduate student athletes.

I expect yall to modernize and NFL-lize your program within a decade. The Falcons sucking could speed up the process.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61555 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

Tbh though UGA has been pretty unlucky the last 15 years or so.


Sorry, I dont buy it. Losing to teams that you should dominate when you have one of the top recruiting programs in the NCAA is not bad luck. That is piss poor preparation.

There is no such thing as bad/good luck. shite happens to everyone . Good and bad

You deal with them and move on.

Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15369 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

Alabama has had 6 straight years of #1 recruiting classes. They basically pick who they want. The supposedly have the best coach in college football and possible one of the best ever. The best facilities, the best everything


And yet, they failed last year. They will fail again this year.

Once they fail this year, what will be the opinion of them? How do you take all that talent and you have shite for a QB, shite for a kicking game, etc.

With that talent and that coaching staff, they should totally dominate everybody



Do you realize that Alabama has won 3 out of the last 5 natty titles? Do you realize how incredibly hard that is? Do you know how many schools have even won back to back natty titles? I mean I get it, you hate Bama so therefore to even admit that they are a great program means irks the Barner in you but you are just delusional.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

Exactly. I don't see where that one title is coming from. Maybe if we weren't in the SEC, we would have at least played for one maybe.


Yall weren't in the SEC for a long time. Basically I am saying yall are the reverse Arky- yall greatly underachieved prior to your SEC era. You should be like A&M, bringing in an AP title from the 50's or something.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61555 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

Do you realize that Alabama has won 3 out of the last 5 natty titles? Do you realize how incredibly hard that is? Do you know how many schools have even won back to back natty titles? I mean I get it, you hate Bama so therefore to even admit that they are a great program means irks the Barner in you but you are just delusional.



Has nothing to do with how I feel about Bama. I dont post with my heart.

Do you honestly think Alabama Overachieves with the talent level and coaching staff, along with the schedule, that they have had? Hell no. They should be winning them. '

I would possibly go that they are achieving what they should but no way they are over achieving. Not even close.

Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

With that talent and that coaching staff, they should totally dominate everybody



They kinda have. Since 1992 Alabama has had as many AP national titles as Texas has had in its entire history. Since 2009 they have had as much as Florida has had in its entire history.

I won't knock them down just because Nicky is underachieving this year. Overall both them and you are overachieving at amazing levels.

I think your perspective is off only because of the way your program overachieved. Half the damn SEC would give their firstborns just to get a single national title, let alone three in a decade.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 4:06 pm
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15369 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

Has nothing to do with how I feel about Bama. I dont post with my heart.

Do you honestly think Alabama Overachieves with the talent level and coaching staff, along with the schedule, that they have had? Hell no. They should be winning them. '

I would possibly go that they are achieving what they should but no way they are over achieving. Not even close.


How many schools have won three natty titles in five years during the AP Poll era? I'll wait
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