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ILBs in coverage
Posted on 9/30/14 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 9:46 pm
3 TDs in 3 games of over 20 yards up the middle with our ILBs as the main coverage. What can we do scheme wise to cover this up because Herrera and Wilson aren't quite quick enough to stop this?
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 9:48 pm to athenslife101
They need to learn to turn their frickin heads around. They're in good position, but that doesn't mean shite when you can't see how to play the ball
Posted on 9/30/14 at 9:52 pm to Spunky
Same with the DBs quite a bit this year. Hell, a butchered version of the game is on the SECN now and on one TD, I don't know where Swann was looking but he pushed the WR into better position for the TD. I am one of Swann's biggest supporters (possibly the only one) but that's just not showing awareness. We could have gotten some more turnovers this year if we could turn our head.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:18 pm to athenslife101
Have safeties in position to help them
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:35 pm to athenslife101
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What can we do scheme wise to cover this up because Herrera and Wilson aren't quite quick enough to stop this?
Very few ILBs can cover a WR or RB that deep. Where are the DBs that are supposed o cover deep on those plays? There has to be a safety looking to cover that deep pattern. The LBs should be looking to cover the intermediate passes like the ones that killed us in the SC game.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:46 pm to Spunky
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They need to learn to turn their frickin heads around. They're in good position, but that doesn't mean shite when you can't see how to play the ball
This. If the LB's are going to cover, they need to be taught DB techniques. In this case, they need to learn when to turn and look for the ball. It's tough duty when you are running straight down the field away from the QB because in that situation you pretty much have to turn all the way around to get a view of the ball.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:46 pm to AlaCowboy
And that's why I wonder why they are so deep.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:55 pm to athenslife101
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And that's why I wonder why they are so deep.
Because they know the DB will lose the battle?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 6:23 am to AlaCowboy
If you're running a cover 2 with man underneath, the LBs will need to cover a RB/TE running patterns like a seam route or a post. Those routes are designed to attack a cover two so there won't be much help from the safeties unless the QB lobs it and gives TE safety time to run underneath it. A RB or good TE on most ILBs will always be a mismatch.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:26 am to crispyUGA
They should not be covering anyone man.....they should drop back in zone and keep everything in front of them. Safety picks up deep threats.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:28 am to DaveyDownerDawg
Have you seen our team try and play zone? No. Just, no.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:36 am to crispyUGA
Exactly no zone! I keep thinking our front dline will put it together and start finishing with sacks on the QB. We have done a good job of this just need to keep getting better
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:42 am to crispyUGA
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Have you seen our team try and play zone? No. Just, no.
Have you seen our ILB's play man? I can count at least two TD's that were given up as a result. Wilson against Clemson and Herrera against USCe. They were burnt to crisp...neither never even looked for the ball. Much easier to drop back into the "hook/curl" zone and keep everything in front.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:51 am to DaveyDownerDawg
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never even looked for the ball
This is much harder to do than it is to say. In man coverage you're literally chasing someone away from the quarterback. Hard enough to catch them and play their hands, much less turn your head 180 degrees without slowing down. What if they make a cut when you "look for the ball"? I agree with you that the answer is some kind of zone.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:53 am to Spunky
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They need to learn to turn their frickin heads around. They're in good position,
This.
Against clemson the laser that Watson threw went right by our ILB's helmet. It was simply a perfect throw. They tried the play again later and Reggie Carter got his hands up and broke it up. Against Tennessee when they ran the play Herrera was just a smidgen late, but he was there.
I'm encouraged that our guys are actually near the ball, they just need to get their hands up quicker. It's not like they're letting guys get free and open by 10 yards.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:53 am to DaveyDownerDawg
Honestly, I'm okay with playing man and giving up the occasional deep pass for a TD. I can live with that. If we play aggressive and man up, I feel like we're trying. I fins nothing more infuriating than seeing our defense send 3 or 4 rushers and watching a QB go 11-for-13 on a 14 play, 80 yard drive while he just dinks and dunks passes under our coverage for 5-7 yards per clip. We saw it with Martinez way too often and it drives me up the wall.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:05 am to crispyUGA
play stiff
Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:10 am to crispyUGA
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Honestly, I'm okay with playing man and giving up the occasional deep pass for a TD. I can live with that. If we play aggressive and man up, I feel like we're trying. I fins nothing more infuriating than seeing our defense send 3 or 4 rushers and watching a QB go 11-for-13 on a 14 play, 80 yard drive while he just dinks and dunks passes under our coverage for 5-7 yards per clip. We saw it with Martinez way too often and it drives me up the wall.
this... all day everyday
Because as it is now even in some of our zone coverage we're giving up big plays.
MAN UP
Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:17 am to Chili Dawg
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This is much harder to do than it is to say.
You read the receiver's body. Head, eyes, and hands help you read when the ball is the air and close.
But you are right, it not an easy thing to learn because really good receivers can deceive defenders. Something as subtle as not outstretching your hands to receive the pass until the last second can throw off a defender.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:20 am to DaveyDownerDawg
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But you are right, it not an easy thing to learn because really good receivers can deceive defenders. Something as subtle as not outstretching your hands to receive the pass until the last second can throw off a defender.
That, and when a receiver is faster than you, your focus turns solely to running as fast as you can to stay with him. Playing the ball is secondary at that point because if you turn and look for it you fall behind the receiver and aren't in position to make a play on the ball anyway.
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