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My Take On This Team So Far. (Good And Bad)
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:52 pm
The Bad:
The run defense is bad. The linebackers are no physical guys to get off blocks and make plays.
Defensive scheme hurts us. Too often our corners and linebackers are 7-10 yards off the line of scrimmage which is a big reason we give up big runs.
Interior (O)line play has been bad this year. Whether it is more teams sending more pressure up the middle due to MM size or the interior is not as talented, too much pressure up the middle.
Mauk at times can get shaky feet and it has caused him to sail throws. He will get better. His accuracy has already exceeded my expectations this year.
Wideouts are having trouble seperating. This was expected I think. Everyone knew this crop of wide-outs was not as talented as we are used to.
Too much loyalty to upperclassmen. Lee is getting work in the slot as a Frosh purely because no one else aside from Murphy can play the position. But there is no reason for not having Nate Brown in there over Otte or Leftwich. Same said for Augusta who is getting played behind Lucas Vincent who gets moved easily.
Bagget.
The Good!:
Shane Rey. Nuff said, but I will say more. He is an absolute beast and should win several awards this year. Rushing him from the inside on the same side as Golden was brilliant.
Golden has been great in games and overshadowed by what Shane has done. Golden makes a difference and I wish we had him as a starter one more year.
Sasser is getting better and better with each game. Someone outside needed to step up and he has.
Murphy and RH are fast guys who run with power. The running game has been great this season so far and I think we need to lean on it more.
Mauk CAN make all the throws and when he is on, we can compete with any team. His bullet to Sasser was an NFL throw.
Mauk is NOT JFF. I hate the comparisons between the two. Yes they have similar styles and I get that but MM carries himself better. He is more mature. He is not gonna get us a 15 yard penalty for taunting and I think he will be/is a better leader than JFF which can be the difference in tight games like we had vs USC.
I have liked what I seen from some of the redshirt guys who have got in. Charles Harris is gonna be a player. Mark my words the guy will be very good.
Is it just me or.... did we stop a screen on Saturday night?????
HCGP is a darn good ball coach and I am not sure there are many coaches in the country who could of had the off season we had and keep this team together like Pink has.
Penton has made a few mistakes but the guy is going to be a stud.
This team should get even better when MS is back running the ball.
We have been good. We should be getting better.
What are your thoughts?
The run defense is bad. The linebackers are no physical guys to get off blocks and make plays.
Defensive scheme hurts us. Too often our corners and linebackers are 7-10 yards off the line of scrimmage which is a big reason we give up big runs.
Interior (O)line play has been bad this year. Whether it is more teams sending more pressure up the middle due to MM size or the interior is not as talented, too much pressure up the middle.
Mauk at times can get shaky feet and it has caused him to sail throws. He will get better. His accuracy has already exceeded my expectations this year.
Wideouts are having trouble seperating. This was expected I think. Everyone knew this crop of wide-outs was not as talented as we are used to.
Too much loyalty to upperclassmen. Lee is getting work in the slot as a Frosh purely because no one else aside from Murphy can play the position. But there is no reason for not having Nate Brown in there over Otte or Leftwich. Same said for Augusta who is getting played behind Lucas Vincent who gets moved easily.
Bagget.
The Good!:
Shane Rey. Nuff said, but I will say more. He is an absolute beast and should win several awards this year. Rushing him from the inside on the same side as Golden was brilliant.
Golden has been great in games and overshadowed by what Shane has done. Golden makes a difference and I wish we had him as a starter one more year.
Sasser is getting better and better with each game. Someone outside needed to step up and he has.
Murphy and RH are fast guys who run with power. The running game has been great this season so far and I think we need to lean on it more.
Mauk CAN make all the throws and when he is on, we can compete with any team. His bullet to Sasser was an NFL throw.
Mauk is NOT JFF. I hate the comparisons between the two. Yes they have similar styles and I get that but MM carries himself better. He is more mature. He is not gonna get us a 15 yard penalty for taunting and I think he will be/is a better leader than JFF which can be the difference in tight games like we had vs USC.
I have liked what I seen from some of the redshirt guys who have got in. Charles Harris is gonna be a player. Mark my words the guy will be very good.
Is it just me or.... did we stop a screen on Saturday night?????
HCGP is a darn good ball coach and I am not sure there are many coaches in the country who could of had the off season we had and keep this team together like Pink has.
Penton has made a few mistakes but the guy is going to be a stud.
This team should get even better when MS is back running the ball.
We have been good. We should be getting better.
What are your thoughts?
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:15 pm to Mizzou23
quote:yes it too often hurts
Defensive scheme hurts us. Too often our corners and linebackers are 7-10 yards off the line of scrimmage which is a big reason we give up big runs.
quote:looks that way but as to your point #1, it's hard to tell just how good or bad the players are when the scheme betrays them so much.
The run defense is bad. The linebackers are no physical guys to get off blocks and make plays
Brothers made a great 4th down stop on their best RB, on 4th and short he stopped him in his tracks which is exactly what he had to do.
A few series later he stopped a screen play for a loss, when's the last time you saw us stop a screen play? much less for a loss. Then our D backs looked all conference on the final series when we really needed it? How often does that happen?
Don't short your first point about how much scheme matters, it does.
Penton and Singleton are both players but there is only so much they can overcome when laying back in extra soft coverage, if the other coach knows beans, he can figure out how to move the chains against that design.
Golden is a difference maker, with out him the opponents just refocus protection against Ray and we have little pressure.
Harris is still a ways from being the contributor we need.
No Mauk is not JFF, JFF is better at eluding pursuit that MM and his roll outs break down more often than not. Mauk needs to start trusting his pocket more or he risks becoming a Gabbert part II.
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HCGP is a darn good ball coach
he's good at sticking to his system and doing what he does, but as you noted, things like scheme and gameplanning are not his forte, he needs better minds than his working as coordinators.
I wouldn't hold out much hope for Steward, he'll need at least a week to 10 days to get ready to play once he is finally cleared to practice.
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Rushing him from the inside on the same side as Golden was brilliant.
stunting the best pass rushers on one edge and LB blitzing on the other edge was something Indiana did to us with some devastating effect, at least our coaches can figure out who to imitate, from time to time.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 9:27 am
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:14 pm to Jagd Tiger
I'm not sure I'm completely buying into the fact that we struggle against the run. Sure it can improve but:
*SDSU was supposed to be based off of their stud RB and we shut him down. They moved the ball throwing it.
*Indiana blew us up on the ground but really no one else has.
*The strength of SC was their running game, not Thompson's arm. Held them to their lowest average per carry all season.
*Like him or not, Scherer isn't just leading the team, he's leading the SEC in tackles.
*Mizzou is leading the SEC in TFL, not just sacks, but TFL.
Could it be better? Absolutely no doubt. Do I think it's that bad? Not really. And Brothers is getting better each game.
*SDSU was supposed to be based off of their stud RB and we shut him down. They moved the ball throwing it.
*Indiana blew us up on the ground but really no one else has.
*The strength of SC was their running game, not Thompson's arm. Held them to their lowest average per carry all season.
*Like him or not, Scherer isn't just leading the team, he's leading the SEC in tackles.
*Mizzou is leading the SEC in TFL, not just sacks, but TFL.
Could it be better? Absolutely no doubt. Do I think it's that bad? Not really. And Brothers is getting better each game.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:28 pm to reedus23
I will just be cheerleader.
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ZOUPosted on 9/29/14 at 6:06 pm to Mizzou23
My thoughts on offense are with Mauk, he just doesn't see the field well. The opposition has recognized this and throws blitz after blitz at him. He see's it coming and drops his vision to the line and scrambles. He can't stay in a pocket that isn't there. I think it's 50/50 with him. 50% is because he doesn't trust the line to hold and 50% of it is just his game, how he plays. I don't think he will ever be a pocket passer. His teammates need to help him. His OC needs to help him. It's not all Mauk. OC could design some short yardage plays and his recievers could try working their way back to him when he scrambles. Plus, I'd start stretching the field with Mauk. He is very accurate down field. It in turns would help the running game.
Defense. I totally agree. It's ok to use a cushion, but not every down. Vary the cushion. I think we seen this secondary emerge against Carolina. I think we finally seen the athleticism they are capable of. I really think this secondary is more talented than last years. Steck just has to trust them to make plays. He has to cut them loose to play instead of falling back into zone coverage all the time. I think the run defense is fine. You have two new full time starters at LB. It's going to take them a few games to settle in just like the secondary. The D-line is really good also. Just have to keep that gap discipline up.
All in all, I think they took a step forward last weekend. I think they grew a little in the 4th quarter. I also think they, and even more so the fans are finding out what it's like in the SEC. It's a total grind year after year. We're just grinding. That's all.
Defense. I totally agree. It's ok to use a cushion, but not every down. Vary the cushion. I think we seen this secondary emerge against Carolina. I think we finally seen the athleticism they are capable of. I really think this secondary is more talented than last years. Steck just has to trust them to make plays. He has to cut them loose to play instead of falling back into zone coverage all the time. I think the run defense is fine. You have two new full time starters at LB. It's going to take them a few games to settle in just like the secondary. The D-line is really good also. Just have to keep that gap discipline up.
All in all, I think they took a step forward last weekend. I think they grew a little in the 4th quarter. I also think they, and even more so the fans are finding out what it's like in the SEC. It's a total grind year after year. We're just grinding. That's all.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 6:44 pm to Mizzou23
I like watching Mauk play 
Posted on 9/29/14 at 7:42 pm to jafo
quote:
My thoughts on offense are with Mauk, he just doesn't see the field well. The opposition has recognized this and throws blitz after blitz at him. He see's it coming and drops his vision to the line and scrambles. He can't stay in a pocket that isn't there. I think it's 50/50 with him. 50% is because he doesn't trust the line to hold and 50% of it is just his game, how he plays. I don't think he will ever be a pocket passer. His teammates need to help him. His OC needs to help him. It's not all Mauk. OC could design some short yardage plays and his recievers could try working their way back to him when he scrambles. Plus, I'd start stretching the field with Mauk. He is very accurate down field. It in turns would help the running game. Defense. I totally agree. It's ok to use a cushion, but not every down. Vary the cushion. I think we seen this secondary emerge against Carolina. I think we finally seen the athleticism they are capable of. I really think this secondary is more talented than last years. Steck just has to trust them to make plays. He has to cut them loose to play instead of falling back into zone coverage all the time. I think the run defense is fine. You have two new full time starters at LB. It's going to take them a few games to settle in just like the secondary. The D-line is really good also. Just have to keep that gap discipline up. All in all, I think they took a step forward last weekend. I think they grew a little in the 4th quarter. I also think they, and even more so the fans are finding out what it's like in the SEC. It's a total grind year after year. We're just grinding. That's all.
Gotta get the TE's more involved, if the TE's have to be accounted for it should loosen up the opposing defenses
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:01 pm to JoeMoTiger
There was a lot of Mauk hype, but the facts are his numbers aren't great but his upside is tremendous. And even with inconsistent and sometimes outright poor play, the team wins. I believe in a few weeks the narrative will be he is a totally different QB and the offense will be explosive again.
Def. is improving and will gel, and then the Achilles heel will be Steckel. I do like how second stringers are rotating in frequently and gaining SEC experience. And Scherer is growing on me. If they get a handle on Gurley and get the win, I think they go to Atlanta despite Steckel.
Def. is improving and will gel, and then the Achilles heel will be Steckel. I do like how second stringers are rotating in frequently and gaining SEC experience. And Scherer is growing on me. If they get a handle on Gurley and get the win, I think they go to Atlanta despite Steckel.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:25 pm to Jagd Tiger
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quote:Defensive scheme hurts us. Too often our corners and linebackers are 7-10 yards off the line of scrimmage which is a big reason we give up big runs.
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yes it too often hurts
Are you two saying that playing off in zone hurts the rush defense? Are you two implying that playing tight like man helps prevent big runs? Interesting. I would like to hear more about this defensive scheme insight.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:40 pm to Tigersessed
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Are you two saying that playing off in zone hurts the rush defense?
Playing Man hurts run support as the CB's are locked onto their man. Zone defenses are the opposite and the DB's can play the run. That being said the soft zone hurts us vs teams that are efficient in the passing attack. To be 7-10 off on 3rd and 6 equals giving up too many first downs. To support this just look back at playing Texas circa 2008.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:44 pm to Tackle74
I agree. This thread is a classic example of message board expertise on defensive schemes.
I also agree that many people remember the defense in 2008 and not the last 3 years.
I also agree that many people remember the defense in 2008 and not the last 3 years.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:00 pm to Tigersessed
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I agree. This thread is a classic example of message board expertise on defensive schemes.
We are lucky to have you aboard to keep the defense on track.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:05 pm to the808bass
What? How do I have anything to do with the defense?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:27 pm to Tigersessed
Oh right. My bad.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:17 am to the808bass
LOL. I'm sorry I didn't follow the board rules and just regurgitate the same information. Don't worry, if everybody wants to turn this into Tigerboard lite, my posting won't be enough to affect it.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:25 am to the808bass
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We are lucky to have you aboard to keep the defense on track.
yea sounds like we have one of the coaching fanbois from Tigerboard here to tell us all how stupid we are and how great the staff is.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:52 am to reedus23
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I'm not sure I'm completely buying into the fact that we struggle against the run. Sure it can improve but:
*SDSU was supposed to be based off of their stud RB and we shut him down. They moved the ball throwing it.
*Indiana blew us up on the ground but really no one else has.
*The strength of SC was their running game, not Thompson's arm. Held them to their lowest average per carry all season.
*Like him or not, Scherer isn't just leading the team, he's leading the SEC in tackles.
*Mizzou is leading the SEC in TFL, not just sacks, but TFL.
Could it be better? Absolutely no doubt. Do I think it's that bad? Not really. And Brothers is getting better each game.
This.
That said, I still fear what teams suicidally committed to the run will do against us.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:24 am to Mizz-SEC
They did pretty well against SC. I'm sure they've been preparing for UGA. I'm not really worried about Mason torching our secondary. So it's going to be a lot of Gurley. A whole lot of Gurley.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 8:23 am to Jagd Tiger
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yea sounds like we have one of the coaching fanbois from Tigerboard here to tell us all how stupid we are and how great the staff is.
He was right about man coverage and run stoppage so not sure why the vitriol. I am defiantly not a fanboi of the staff. I think our schemes on D are baffling at times especially the soft zone on mid range passing downs.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 9:22 am to Tigersessed
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mplying that playing tight like man helps prevent big runs?
since we don't play it we don't have to worry about it.
Lining your LB's up like 3 saw horses 8 yards behind the LOS doesn't do them any favors in run situations though.
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Tackle74
unless you're posting under 2 different handles then no, not talking about you. But if the shoe fits...
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 9:24 am
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