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What will the big 5 do about admissions?
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:37 am
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:37 am
Admission policies for student athletes have, in recent years, become somewhat of a joke. According to the SEC's standards, a student athlete with a high school GPA of 3.5 only has to score a 9 or higher (super-scored) on his or her ACT to meet requirements. This is compared to the minimum of 18 (not super-scored) that normal academic students have to meet at most public universities. The super-score alone is a little bit ridiculous. Rather than take the highest composite on any single test, this allows them to take the highest individual section scores, across multiple testing sessions, and form a mock-composite from them.
In addition, I have been told by friends working within admissions that SEC schools have a way of essentially cheating the ACT. This isn't surprising, on a test with so many stipulations that would allow it to be taken without a time limit. So you, your sons, or your daughters have work hard to meet a certain academic standard. On the other hand, if a kid has wheels and is the best football player in high school nationally, ESPN talks him up and the coon asses love him, he doesn't even have to fluently speak his primary language.
This is something that could finally change with the power conferences having the power to govern themselves. Conversely, this could just as easily be abused and academic standards become a thing of the past. It is my opinion that athletes should be admitted for an athlete specific scholly and degree. Teach the kids more about their respective sport, how to manage their money, etc... If they want to pursue an ordinary academic degree in addition, then allow it under the premise they meet standard admission requirements. 90% of these kids don't want to go to class, they are there for their sport, I see no point in forcing them to study something they aren't interested in pursuing.
How does the rant feel this should be addressed? Do you think the big 5 will tighten down on academics or do away with the "student athlete" entirely?
In addition, I have been told by friends working within admissions that SEC schools have a way of essentially cheating the ACT. This isn't surprising, on a test with so many stipulations that would allow it to be taken without a time limit. So you, your sons, or your daughters have work hard to meet a certain academic standard. On the other hand, if a kid has wheels and is the best football player in high school nationally, ESPN talks him up and the coon asses love him, he doesn't even have to fluently speak his primary language.
This is something that could finally change with the power conferences having the power to govern themselves. Conversely, this could just as easily be abused and academic standards become a thing of the past. It is my opinion that athletes should be admitted for an athlete specific scholly and degree. Teach the kids more about their respective sport, how to manage their money, etc... If they want to pursue an ordinary academic degree in addition, then allow it under the premise they meet standard admission requirements. 90% of these kids don't want to go to class, they are there for their sport, I see no point in forcing them to study something they aren't interested in pursuing.
How does the rant feel this should be addressed? Do you think the big 5 will tighten down on academics or do away with the "student athlete" entirely?
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Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:38 am to skirpnasty
tl, didn't grind
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:39 am to skirpnasty
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This is something that could finally change with the power conferences having the power to govern themselves.
Dont they already?
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:42 am to skirpnasty
ISWYDT
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:42 am to skirpnasty
We're not signing them up to be Rhodes scholars. We're signing them up to play football and if that means they get to slid on some of the requirements oh well.
There is not another group of 105 students on campus bring in $100M+ to the University.
There is not another group of 105 students on campus bring in $100M+ to the University.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:43 am to skirpnasty
It's actually a big problem that needs to be addressed. But not during Grindfest.
Across the board, SEC admission standards are way below the other conferences. This is actually something the SEC benefits from via the NCAA. Our admission standards for athletes as a whole are on par with the C-USA, MAC, Big West, Sun Belt type schools.
The Big 12 isn't far behind, but the ACC, Big Ten and Pac 12 are all a big step up. If they join together and raise clearinghouse standards, it could harm the marginal students that are great athletes from gaining admission.
Before anyone goes and says their admission standards are high - I'm not talking about the institution's admission standards - but the NCAA Clearinghouse's, which are pitiful. A 3.0 student can basically write his name on the ACT and get admitted.
Across the board, SEC admission standards are way below the other conferences. This is actually something the SEC benefits from via the NCAA. Our admission standards for athletes as a whole are on par with the C-USA, MAC, Big West, Sun Belt type schools.
The Big 12 isn't far behind, but the ACC, Big Ten and Pac 12 are all a big step up. If they join together and raise clearinghouse standards, it could harm the marginal students that are great athletes from gaining admission.
Before anyone goes and says their admission standards are high - I'm not talking about the institution's admission standards - but the NCAA Clearinghouse's, which are pitiful. A 3.0 student can basically write his name on the ACT and get admitted.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:44 am to skirpnasty
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Do you think the big 5 will tighten down on academics or do away with the "student athlete" entirely?
Neither. They want to walk the fine line of hypocrisy because its the most profitable route.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:44 am to skirpnasty
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It is my opinion that athletes should be admitted for an athlete specific scholly and degree. Teach the kids more about their respective sport, how to manage their money, etc...
Who is going to "teach" these courses?
I guarantee you no professor--particular tenure-track professors--wants to list "Football 101" on his/her curriculum vitae under courses taught.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what the admissions policies are.
Universities and athletic departments, coaches, etc. will handle players' grades/academics the way they subjectively deem fit--regardless of what they say in public.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:44 am to GIbson05
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We're not signing them up to be Rhodes scholars. We're signing them up to play football and if that means they get to slid on some of the requirements oh well. There is not another group of 105 students on campus bring in $100M+ to the University.
I agree. My point is why dress it up? They are there to play football, why make them go to class and get an academic degree? My suggestion is a compromise to keep them as student athletes without pipelining them into something they aren't interested in doing.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:45 am to npt817
so your saying that these kids that benefit from this and get whatever college education they can get, dont deserve it. keep them out of college and just allow the ones you deem worthy of any education in, right?
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:47 am to EKG
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Who is going to "teach" these courses? I guarantee you no professor--particular tenure-track professors--wants to list "Football 101" on his/her curriculum vitae under courses taught.
I promise you, there is no shortage of football coaches and grad assistants currently looking for football related jobs.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:48 am to skirpnasty
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They are there to play football, why make them go to class and get an academic degree?
Because then it becomes the NFL
Its still a University and you have to be a student and go to class, but athletes get better treatment..
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:52 am to crimsontater
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so your saying that these kids that benefit from this and get whatever college education they can get, dont deserve it. keep them out of college and just allow the ones you deem worthy of any education in, right?
I'm not saying they don't deserve it. I'm saying that we have several degrees that are completely useless. A lot of kids that don't make the league get our of college and have nothing to show. Because nobody is looking for someone with a BA in African American Studies. With a degree specific to their sport they can teach/coach that sport after school. In addition, they get to dedicate more time in college to doing what they love, playing ball.
On the other hand, no, I don't think you should be allowed lower academic standards because you play ball. Yes, you have a different skill set than the average student. So why lump that person in as an average student? Why not reward their specific talents?
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Because then it becomes the NFL
Its still a University and you have to be a student and go to class, but athletes get better treatment..
As I said below:
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My point is why dress it up? They are there to play football, why make them go to class and get an academic degree? My suggestion is a compromise to keep them as student athletes without pipelining them into something they aren't interested in doing.
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 10:54 am
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:52 am to skirpnasty
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My suggestion is a compromise to keep them as student athletes without pipelining them into something they aren't interested in doing.
Isn't that the point of certain degree types?
Heck when RC was here he went to some of the gutted (by progress) Ag degrees and turned them into a football player pipeline. Von Miller graduated with a degree in poultry sciences at A&M
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:55 am to anc
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Before anyone goes and says their admission standards are high - I'm not talking about the institution's admission standards - but the NCAA Clearinghouse's, which are pitiful. A 3.0 student can basically write his name on the ACT and get admitted.
Well even when the NCAA clears someone the SEC is known to block them so aren't we already governing ourselves now?
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:55 am to skirpnasty
Football coaches?
Universities are required to provide evidence (to accreditation agencies) of the qualifications held by their professors.
Most fb coaches don't hold those qualifications.
And graduate assistants work under the tutelage of professors.
There's a difference between a student taking a couple of courses from a graduate student and/or an "instructor" (rather than a professor) and achieving full collegiate matriculation from such folks.
Universities are required to provide evidence (to accreditation agencies) of the qualifications held by their professors.
Most fb coaches don't hold those qualifications.
And graduate assistants work under the tutelage of professors.
There's a difference between a student taking a couple of courses from a graduate student and/or an "instructor" (rather than a professor) and achieving full collegiate matriculation from such folks.
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 11:00 am
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:55 am to skirpnasty
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With a degree specific to their sport they can teach/coach that sport after school.
Do you not think coaching degrees already exist in Physical Education departments.
Hell, I needed an elective 20 years ago at MSU so I took "Coaching Football" It was taught by former Bulldog and Buffalo Bill Glen Young, who squandered away his NFL money and found a job teaching BS classes at MSU.
Your proposal already exists and is being taken advantage of. Look through the majors of any SEC roster - lots of Physiology, Physical Education and Recreation majors.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 11:01 am to GIbson05
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There is not another group of 105 students on campus bring in $100M+ to the University.
To the University or the athletic dept?
revune and expense
Posted on 9/17/14 at 11:09 am to skirpnasty
quote:quote:I promise you, there is no shortage of football coaches and grad assistants currently looking for football related jobs.
Who is going to "teach" these courses? I guarantee you no professor--particular tenure-track professors--wants to list "Football 101" on his/her curriculum vitae under courses taught.
That really worked out well for UGA basketball when Harrick Jr. was teaching a basketball "class".
Posted on 9/17/14 at 11:46 am to skirpnasty
Why not. Universities have Womens Studies and Ethnic Studies and Film Studies why not a degree in Football? There are more legitimate jobs in football than in Women's Studies.
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