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This is why the LSU game is important to MSU fans

Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:18 am
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:18 am
We’ve all heard the jokes. 21 out of 22. LSU doesn’t concern itself with “MooU,” etc.

State hasn’t won a game in Baton Rouge since 1991. Saturday’s contest will be the 12th between the two SEC Western Division rivals since that forgettable game in Jackie Sherrill’s first season in Starkville.

That LSU game in 2000 was a turning point for both programs. A lot of you younger fans might not realize this, but the late 90s Mississippi State teams struck fear into the souls of their opponents. Laugh if you must, but from 1997-2000, Mississippi State was the most consistent team in the SEC West. The stability of an experienced coach like Sherill overshadowed Mike Dubose at Bama, Gerry Dinardo at LSU, a young Tommy Tuberville at Ole Miss and Houston Nutt at Arkansas, and of course the shite show on the plains that was the latter end of the Terry Bowden era.

That stability is a cherished time in MSU football history. Sure, we are a joke when you look at our overall history, but for a brief moment in history, MSU was a legitimate team. They won the Western Division in 1998, had a memorable 1999 season that featured the nation’s No. 1 defense, led by the sock less assassin himself, Joe Lee Dunn.

The 2000 season was going to be the season. MSU wasn’t a sleeper pick to win the SEC, they were a legitimate threat behind Florida. In fact, Florida-MSU was the projected SEC Championship game. Auburn had a running back named Rudi Johnson that emerged early and propelled Auburn to a Top 15 ranking. MSU had back to back games in late September against Spurrier’s Gators and the upstart Tigers from the Plains. A split would mean State had a pretty good team.

Florida came rolling into town and and the Gators were smashed. Visors flew all over Scott Field, 3rd and 57 can still be searched on YouTube, and although the final score said 47-35, Florida fans will tell you it felt like 47-10. Two 150-yard rushers and over 500 yards of offense on the vaunted Gator defense.

I was a student at Mississippi State at the time. We jumped up in the polls and had the media darling Auburn Tigers coming into town the next week. Younger fans take note - MSU had the CBS 2:30 game two weeks in a row. It was a big deal. Gameday did not travel to campuses at the time, or surely they would have been at that Auburn game. Just as State’s offense had shined against Florida, the defense had its way with Auburn. Auburn did not have a first down until the 4th quarter.

One of Jackie Sherrill’s downfalls was that he used to say “A team can only get up for about three games a year.” Alabama and Ole Miss were always two of the games. LSU had dominated the decade in its games with MSU, despite MSU fielding the better team. It’s been noted that State’s ’98 division champion squad was drubbed 41-7 by a 3-8 LSU team. And of course, the infamous 1999 game, in which this State fan agrees - not having instant replay is the reason a 10-2 State team has that win over an LSU team that fired their coach after a 2-8 start.

LSU hired an up and coming head coach from Michigan State - I forget his name, but he was a defensive genius. Remember the name Joe Lee Dunn? He was considered one of the premier defensive minds in college football. He had a strange defensive alignment that gave teams fits. But this Big Ten guy that LSU hired knew a thing or two about defense as well.

MSU entered the 2000 game with LSU ranked as high as #3 in some of the computer polls (They had a lot more influence in the early days of the BCS). LSU was 4-3, having lost to the aforementioned Auburn team by double digits and even dropping a Homecoming game against UAB. LSU fans weren’t too high on this new coach, but he managed to pull an upset of Spurrier’s Gators and a highly rated Tennessee team after that UAB loss. But here came the MSU juggernaut.

On the second play of the game, State struck for a deep TD and it looked like the rout was on. LSU fought back to to take a 14-7 lead, but over the second and third quarters, MSU outscored LSU 24-3 and held a comfortable 14 point lead on LSU in Death Valley. Then something happened. Something, well, clicked.

LSU started moving the ball like a knife through butter. State’s vaunted defense looked confused. Sherill was yelling at Joe Lee Dunn on the sideline. LSU scored 3 touchdowns in the 4th quarter to take a lead. The MSU defense, which had dominated the SEC West for the better part of four years suddenly looked like a Pop Warner team. State managed to tie the game late and send it to overtime, but LSU scored on the first play of overtime and ended up winning one of the most memorable games in the series.

That Big Ten coach had figured out Joe Lee Dunn’s defense, showing the rest of the conference how to beat us. The gig was up in Starkville. A first-year Division I Middle Tennessee came in and dropped 35 in a loss, and State lost to Arkansas and Ole Miss to end the season. MSU beat A&M in the famous Snow Bowl game. Ever wonder why State fans love the late 90s uniforms and revere that Independence Bowl game so much - it was the last beacon of State being a year end, year out contender.

With the short era of MSU dominance over, LSU won the SEC in 2001, the SEC West in 2002, and the national title in 2003. 2001-03 is probably the worst stretch of MSU’s horrible football history - and the era of Jackie Sherrill, considered the best coach in MSU history, ended on a rainy Saturday night in Starkville as Eli Manning had his way to close out a 2-10 season for MSU. Sherrill ended his MSU career with 75 wins, 75 losses. Just three years earlier, he was 67-45 and a stadium was chanting his name for becoming the winningest coach in MSU history.

Joe Lee Dunn faded to folklore in SEC history. He bounced around the mid-majors, then the FCS, then Division II and Division III for a while - each time leaving when teams would figure out how Saban exposed the gimmick defense that brought Mississippi State to the edge of glory.

As for the LSU series, its no wonder LSU fans are confident. For many, the only victory MSU has ever had in their lifetime comes with an asterisk. Other than Chad Jones becoming Superman in 2009, MSU has not even been close to ending the streak.

The torch was passed that Saturday night in Death Valley in 2000. It’s time to take it back.

Grind on.
Posted by tamctshirt
Member since Aug 2014
1415 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:19 am to
TL;DR
And down vote
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:22 am to
I feel like I'll learn something if I read that, but it doesn't contain any pics of non-fat MSU cheerleaders so the pay off for the time investment required just isn't there. Likely will not read.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
108730 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:23 am to
That's a whole lotta mad right there.

RUSTLE [ON] OFF
Posted by auburnphan23
Member since Jan 2014
5862 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:23 am to
You seriously expect people here to read that novel? I tried to read it, got about halfway through, and said frick the rest of it
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:24 am to
quote:

but the late 90s Mississippi State teams struck fear into the souls of their opponents


stopped reading here
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
22887 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:25 am to
I don't want to sound douchey, but that shite is too fricking long man. Give some cliffnotes.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:25 am to
That was actually amazing. Great read. Thanks for writing this.

Respect.
Posted by BigD Ag
Dallas
Member since Dec 2011
1635 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:25 am to
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
17993 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:27 am to
quote:

That was actually amazing. Great read. Thanks for writing this.

Respect.


Appreciate it. I know its long for a message board post, but its truth. It wasn't meant for those with short attention spans or Alabama fans that can't read past a 3rd grade level - it was meant for those who want to peek into why this is important to the Grind.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10232 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:27 am to
No it's not. Take it from someone else, you've beaten the Gumps far less than us.
Posted by geauxcoco
Greenville, SC
Member since Apr 2007
11019 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:28 am to
Of course this game is important to MSU fans since they have lost 21/22 to us....the grind/rustled jimmied love fest they are spewing this week is a result of them having (in their minds) probably the best team to see the field since their 98-00 hay day. Unfortunately, the game is at night in Tiger Stadium...where Les Miles has only lost twice, to two #1 ranked teams. I think they will give us a run for our money, but they are climbing a major uphill battle and odds are they will be running back to Starktrash with their cowtails between their legs.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:30 am to
quote:

With the short era of MSU dominance over, LSU won the SEC in 2001, the SEC West in 2002, and the national title in 2003.


quote:

The torch was passed that Saturday night in Death Valley in 2000. It’s time to take it back.


just an FYI. in the 90's, (LSUs worst era by far) LSU won 7 out of 10 against MSU. One of those losses was actually a win.


so save the "torch was passed" bullshite and learn your SEC history
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 8:33 am
Posted by KABoss02
Dallas
Member since Jul 2009
1362 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:31 am to
I really enjoyed reading this, good memories of some fun games..... but:

I honestly can never recall MSU being thought of as a "dominant" or "juggernaut" team as you use the terms. Good, yes. SECW contender, yes. They have never had anywhere close to the realm of significance to any SEC foe that you portray here.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
17993 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:31 am to
The point is that Saban showed everyone how to beat Joe Lee Dunn in the 4th quarter of that LSU game in 2000, which ended the party for MSU.

MSU was a contender in the West every year from 97-2000. Then they slid to what everyone on this board thinks of MSU - a shite sandwich.

To eliminate the ghosts that caused that, MSU needs to win in Death Valley.

Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32201 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:33 am to
I will be so glad when this game gets here. This place is a wasteland this week.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
17993 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:33 am to
quote:

so save the "torch was passed" bull shite and learn your SEC history



The torch wasn't passed in the LSU-MSU series, dumbass. MSU was the best team in the West for four years, then LSU went on a three year run of West titles culminated by a national title.

Posted by KiffinsVisor
Tennessee
Member since Jun 2014
1129 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:35 am to
I actually picked Miss St with the upset this week. If they are going to do it, this is the year. I dont think LSU can score alot of points. maybe 20, but if Dak gets rolling, which he usually does, I could def see LSU losing. Not a troll
Posted by Bought a Snead Jerse
Tennessee
Member since Nov 2013
515 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:36 am to
A good read man. I enjoyed it.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
17993 posts
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:36 am to
quote:

I honestly can never recall MSU being thought of as a "dominant" or "juggernaut" team as you use the terms. Good, yes. SECW contender, yes. They have never had anywhere close to the realm of significance to any SEC foe that you portray here.


Fair enough. You have to recall that during this time period, the East was the dominant division in the SEC. Juggernaut isn't the right word, I agree. It was used for dramatic flair.

But for two weeks in 2000 (Florida and Auburn), there is no doubt that MSU was the best team in the SEC and possibly the nation. Those were juggernaut performances that were ended with Saban figured out Joe Lee Dunn in the 4th quarter of the 2000 game.

This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 8:37 am
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