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Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:34 am
Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:34 am
What's everyone got?
UGA:
Solid offense, but still needs some work. Gurley looked gassed at times. Not having Mitchell, Scott-Wesley, and Rumph is hurting our passing game.
Defense still looks pretty weak especially in the secondary. Lack of pass rush killed us.
USC:
Offense is solid especially the Oline (they're huge). Seemed like Thompson always had a man wide open.
Defense looks a little weak, but they're young. Definitely some issues in the secondary. Stopped the run better than I expected.
Overall, a great game. Penalties were very suspect, but it went both ways. I think both teams are pretty close in regards to how good they are. After playing the games y'all have so far, do you think A&M is that good, or was it first game jitters for the Cocks? Might be just their style of play exploited y'all weakness? Just wondering if either one of us will even have a shot at beating the West champ if we make it.
UGA:
Solid offense, but still needs some work. Gurley looked gassed at times. Not having Mitchell, Scott-Wesley, and Rumph is hurting our passing game.
Defense still looks pretty weak especially in the secondary. Lack of pass rush killed us.
USC:
Offense is solid especially the Oline (they're huge). Seemed like Thompson always had a man wide open.
Defense looks a little weak, but they're young. Definitely some issues in the secondary. Stopped the run better than I expected.
Overall, a great game. Penalties were very suspect, but it went both ways. I think both teams are pretty close in regards to how good they are. After playing the games y'all have so far, do you think A&M is that good, or was it first game jitters for the Cocks? Might be just their style of play exploited y'all weakness? Just wondering if either one of us will even have a shot at beating the West champ if we make it.
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 8:50 am to FlatwoodsForester
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What's everyone got?
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UGA:
Think one of the other backs should be doing return duties. Gurley is the man but making him run double duty took him from being very explosive and a chance to take it all the way when he got it... to just pounding out 3-5 yards straight ahead.
Chubb looked great as well. Ya'll will miss #82 guy was clutch all game.
Thought mason performed well but missed a couple key throws, one behind receiver and overthrew one I think.
Yall's DB's are inexperienced and HBC was drooling at the exploitation of that. We used the pass to set up the run game, and Pruitt didn't figure out the fix until it was too late in the fourth quarter and ya'll got an INT out of it.
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USC:
Defense showed improvement and think we found 2 great leaders on D going forward. DB's are young and continue to gel, but believe the unit will be solid for the next couple years.
DT impressed me by showing strong command of the offense. It was also very refreshing to see the OL throw the big bodies in and grind out the clock. I am still a huge fan of Wilds. MD has the explosions but Wilds is the grinder.
Wish ya'll luck going forward and hope the team stays injury free. I really just want to see the dawgs grind mizz into a pulp, we don't need a 3rd wheel in our love/hate affair.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:17 am to Mr.Sinister
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I really just want to see the dawgs grind mizz into a pulp, we don't need a 3rd wheel in our love/hate affair.
Mizzou worries me. I think everyone is sleeping on them. Could find ourselves repeating 2013 with Mizzou in the championship if we're not careful.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:38 am to FlatwoodsForester
UGA
QB played his best game ever as a dog. 16-22, 191 yds, 2 TD's 0 INT's (2 fumbles by not lost,) he managed the game well enough to win, but didn't.
RB's are all studs. Gurley lost focus though, put himself at risk to get ejected.
WR's did 'ok', they caught most the balls thown to them, Bennett is good. Overall, still vanilla (I like vanilla, but it's not awesome.)
OL did a good job opening holes for the running game 70% of the time. Did well against pass rush.
TE - That was the first time I've seen Rome used, wasn't he a 5 Star guy several years ago?
DL - They could be good, they might not be good, IDK. SC's OL was a lot better. Carter played tough, he's going to be a good one.
LB's - I thought they were going to be the strength of y'all's defense, this game they ABSOLUTELY were NOT. We threw behind them, ran around them, they offered no real help in passing downs and in crunch time when they needed to hold our RB's and fill gaps they didn't deliver.
DB's - Like ours, not great. Our's are true FR or 1 RS Soph (Harris, Lammons, Smith, McWilliams), I don't know how old y'all's are. People are going to throw on y'all all year to it's shown that y'all can stop it.
K - He missed 2, probably his worst game ever as a dog. He's got an All SEC leg though.
USC
QB Thompson played really well. He hit a lot of passes early, and that made the safety's have to stay honest. Overall solid game, the INT was awful, guy was covered. However, he did many more good things than bad things.
RB We moved the ball well. had a few solid runs, in crunch time they got even better. Davis isn't 100%, hope he heals up.
WR's they did awesome, they got open A LOT, got extra yards, moved the chains and found the endzone.
TE's did really well. Busta had one of his better/more complete games.
OL - they're the reason we won, they were dominate in rushing and passing downs. The Bo Sized Package is legit, that's a lot of meat on the field at one time.
K - Hull, Fry, Landon, all those guys did their job really well. Fry made all his kicks, Hull got over 40 yards with really good hangtime, and Landon had a fantastic game keeping the ball out of Gurley's hands.
DL - Surratt played like a man on fire, everyone else was kinda vanilla. still not much of a pass rush, we did get some TFL's and a Sack though. English and Dixon both had a TFL and a Sack. So MUCH better than the past 2 games, but still not what we're used to at SC.
LB's - Overall did a average job of stopping the run, there weren't any big gainers (not called back by penalty.) Did meh in pass defense. Skai Moore had a good game. They did make stops on 3rd down though, that's new for this season.
DB's - Yep, they're still really young and inexperienced. They're getting better since week 1, that's clear, but they still have a lot to learn and a ton to prove.
Overall we need to start generating more turnovers, stripping the ball, getting INT's, whatever it takes, b/c we aren't a team than can hold another team's offense below 20% on 3rd down conversions.
QB played his best game ever as a dog. 16-22, 191 yds, 2 TD's 0 INT's (2 fumbles by not lost,) he managed the game well enough to win, but didn't.
RB's are all studs. Gurley lost focus though, put himself at risk to get ejected.
WR's did 'ok', they caught most the balls thown to them, Bennett is good. Overall, still vanilla (I like vanilla, but it's not awesome.)
OL did a good job opening holes for the running game 70% of the time. Did well against pass rush.
TE - That was the first time I've seen Rome used, wasn't he a 5 Star guy several years ago?
DL - They could be good, they might not be good, IDK. SC's OL was a lot better. Carter played tough, he's going to be a good one.
LB's - I thought they were going to be the strength of y'all's defense, this game they ABSOLUTELY were NOT. We threw behind them, ran around them, they offered no real help in passing downs and in crunch time when they needed to hold our RB's and fill gaps they didn't deliver.
DB's - Like ours, not great. Our's are true FR or 1 RS Soph (Harris, Lammons, Smith, McWilliams), I don't know how old y'all's are. People are going to throw on y'all all year to it's shown that y'all can stop it.
K - He missed 2, probably his worst game ever as a dog. He's got an All SEC leg though.
USC
QB Thompson played really well. He hit a lot of passes early, and that made the safety's have to stay honest. Overall solid game, the INT was awful, guy was covered. However, he did many more good things than bad things.
RB We moved the ball well. had a few solid runs, in crunch time they got even better. Davis isn't 100%, hope he heals up.
WR's they did awesome, they got open A LOT, got extra yards, moved the chains and found the endzone.
TE's did really well. Busta had one of his better/more complete games.
OL - they're the reason we won, they were dominate in rushing and passing downs. The Bo Sized Package is legit, that's a lot of meat on the field at one time.
K - Hull, Fry, Landon, all those guys did their job really well. Fry made all his kicks, Hull got over 40 yards with really good hangtime, and Landon had a fantastic game keeping the ball out of Gurley's hands.
DL - Surratt played like a man on fire, everyone else was kinda vanilla. still not much of a pass rush, we did get some TFL's and a Sack though. English and Dixon both had a TFL and a Sack. So MUCH better than the past 2 games, but still not what we're used to at SC.
LB's - Overall did a average job of stopping the run, there weren't any big gainers (not called back by penalty.) Did meh in pass defense. Skai Moore had a good game. They did make stops on 3rd down though, that's new for this season.
DB's - Yep, they're still really young and inexperienced. They're getting better since week 1, that's clear, but they still have a lot to learn and a ton to prove.
Overall we need to start generating more turnovers, stripping the ball, getting INT's, whatever it takes, b/c we aren't a team than can hold another team's offense below 20% on 3rd down conversions.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:51 am to FlatwoodsForester
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UGA:
Offense is built to run, run, run. Mason should be used only when absolutely necessary - not because he's a poor QB, but because the talent you have at WR is a noticeable step down from what you have at RB. Chubb, Michel, Gurley in rotation or in two-back sets should be where UGA goes from here on out.
Defense is not as good as y'all thought it would be after the Clemson game - but that doesn't mean it's bad. In particular, I was not impressed with the speed and physicality at LB. Granted, the high-water mark for y'all was probably '12 at that position, but still. Because of Richt being the way that he is, his teams need to adopt the personality of the DC. Pruitt may very well wind up being the answer that y'all have lacked since VanGorder left. I think you'll know more about where your team is after the Mizzou and Arky games.
quote:Offense is probably one of the most balanced that UGA is likely to see all year long. Thompson made some fantastic throws and picked windows that I don't think anyone outside of maybe Mauk will be able to do in the East. If he plays like this the rest of the year, he'll be hell to handle. O-line lived up to their billing in the run game, and I was impressed with the pass pro.
USC:
Defense will get better weekly, as the guys grow up. Case in point, Al Harris Jr. He had a few nice plays that he didn't/wouldn't make against aTm, but he also had Gurley dead-to-rights on the 3-14, but failed to tackle or even pursue like he should have. Also failed to defend on the TD on that drive, too. My guess is that he'll get better by end of year. USC fans are pretty well versed in this, as we went through the exact same thing with the LBs last season.
The most promising thing was that we had a leader step up this weekend. We didn't have that two weeks ago.
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After playing the games y'all have so far, do you think A&M is that good, or was it first game jitters for the Cocks?
Mixture of both. aTm is legit on offense, and their defense is improved. They'll put up points on anybody. They were particularly well-built to exploit the problems that USC had on defense, and I think USC was particularly flat because they were reading their own hype. If there were an aTm/USC rematch in Atlanta? I'd like to think that would be a much, much more even game.
Y'alls season is far, far, far from over. You've got a good football team. Just need to embrace their strengths.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:55 am to RoyalAir
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After playing the games y'all have so far, do you think A&M is that good, or was it first game jitters for the Cocks?
Mixture of both. aTm is legit on offense, and their defense is improved. They'll put up points on anybody. They were particularly well-built to exploit the problems that USC had on defense, and I think USC was particularly flat because they were reading their own hype. If there were an aTm/USC rematch in Atlanta? I'd like to think that would be a much, much more even game.
Y'alls season is far, far, far from over. You've got a good football team. Just need to embrace their strengths.
I agree with that, but we'd have to keep improving on pass defense from now until then. If aTm played us right now, they would still beat us, our pass defense simply is not "there" yet.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:03 am to CockInYourEar
UGA had the best player on the field and an appreciable edge in talent overall, but the coaching just wasn't there. Two evenly matched teams, all things considered. Y'alls new DC got schooled by Spurrier, but who hasn't?
I said before the game I'd take our WRs over UGA's. Still stand by that.
I still would bet $ on UGA to win the East.
I said before the game I'd take our WRs over UGA's. Still stand by that.
I still would bet $ on UGA to win the East.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:14 am to CockInYourEar
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I agree with that, but we'd have to keep improving on pass defense from now until then. If aTm played us right now, they would still beat us, our pass defense simply is not "there" yet.
Well, yeah, they would right now. I'm assuming an end-of-season game, where both teams have improved.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:17 am to WheelRoute
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UGA had the best player on the field and an appreciable edge in talent overall, but the coaching just wasn't there.
I don't agree with the bolded part.
Thompson > Mason
USC WRs > UGA WRs
USC OL > UGA OL
USC LBs > UGA LBs
USC STs > UGA STs
Dline and secondary is a push.
UGA is absolutely better at RB. But other than that, I certainly don't see an appreciable edge in talent across the board.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:43 am to RoyalAir
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I don't think our front seven is even remotely on the level of UGAs. Like I said before the game, we match up very well w/ UGA and one of our biggest strengths (OL) neutralized a big strength of theirs (DL). But UGA will still send half those guys to the NFL and at an ADP much higher than ours. The problem was that their DC didn't adjust very well to our playcalling. I see it far more as a coaching issue (w/r/t last wknd) than a talent issue.
I def think our WRs are better as unit but I also think they'll have a guy or two drafted. UGA certainly has talent here, but their production is limited by injuries.
Our OL is certainly better (why can't UGA put together a strong OL?)
STs I don't know a/b. Their PK will be in the league, I know that, despite his abysmal performance last wknd. They should have McKenzie or Michel returning kicks, too, and those guys have a ton of talent.
It's early but I think when it's all said and done we'll put more DB talent in the NFL from this game than they will.
The talent gap at RB is extreme but they also didn't utilize it enough.
QB could go either way depending on the day. I expect Thompson to have better stats b/c of our playcalling but neither he nor Mason are a threat to make an NFL roster at present.
I don't think our front seven is even remotely on the level of UGAs. Like I said before the game, we match up very well w/ UGA and one of our biggest strengths (OL) neutralized a big strength of theirs (DL). But UGA will still send half those guys to the NFL and at an ADP much higher than ours. The problem was that their DC didn't adjust very well to our playcalling. I see it far more as a coaching issue (w/r/t last wknd) than a talent issue.
I def think our WRs are better as unit but I also think they'll have a guy or two drafted. UGA certainly has talent here, but their production is limited by injuries.
Our OL is certainly better (why can't UGA put together a strong OL?)
STs I don't know a/b. Their PK will be in the league, I know that, despite his abysmal performance last wknd. They should have McKenzie or Michel returning kicks, too, and those guys have a ton of talent.
It's early but I think when it's all said and done we'll put more DB talent in the NFL from this game than they will.
The talent gap at RB is extreme but they also didn't utilize it enough.
QB could go either way depending on the day. I expect Thompson to have better stats b/c of our playcalling but neither he nor Mason are a threat to make an NFL roster at present.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:02 pm to RoyalAir
quote:Possibly, but bad secondaries made both of these QBs look better than they are.
Thompson > Mason
quote:Comparing the players that actually played, I would agree. When we get Mitchell and JSW back, then I would disagree.
USC WRs > UGA WRs
quote:Definitely, your O-Line was the most impressive thing of the night in my opinion.
USC OL > UGA OL
quote:Disagree...Your O-line was stout and think that's more to do with how good they are than it is how bad our LBs would be. Your LBs and D-line were going up against an inferior O-line.
USC LBs > UGA LBs
quote:I'm honestly not sure how you came about this decision. If you mean in this game alone...possibly, but that's still a stretch.
USC STs > UGA STs
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:17 pm to FlatwoodsForester
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USC STs > UGA STs
I'm honestly not sure how you came about this decision. If you mean in this game alone...possibly, but that's still a stretch.
In this game, particularly, yes, USC's STs were better than UGA's. Carson busted a KO return that directly led to a TD, while UGA was held largely in check. Fry hit his FG, Morgan missed two of his.
I honestly don't know how this is even debatable.
Regarding the LBs, for the most part, USC's LBs wrapped up and brought down the ball carrier. Even Gurley admitted that Moore played very well against him.
Regarding Thompson v Mason, yes, both had open receivers. But there were a few throws in particular that Thompson made that I don't think Mason is capable of making - the TD throw to Anderson was absolutely perfect, as was the deep out to Nick Jones where he got lit up by Mauga (sp?). That ball was perfectly placed. Can Mason make either of those throws? I don't know. But Thompson can, and did.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:26 pm to CockInYourEar
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I agree with that, but we'd have to keep improving on pass defense from now until then. If aTm played us right now, they would still beat us, our pass defense simply is not "there" yet.
Truth be told this is part of why I really want to see SC and A&M meet up in the SECCG. I think their offense would still put up some points but I'd like to see how our DBs would do with a full season under their belt.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:37 pm to RoyalAir
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Fry hit his FG, Morgan missed two of his. I honestly don't know how this is even debatable.
You stated it as if you were referring to the overall body of work from these players (maybe I misunderstood). Now if we're talking about just the game, then yes I can see it. If we're talking about overall talent over many games, then I would consider our STs better.
Either way, USC played the better game in almost all aspects of the game, and the results show that.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:55 pm to FlatwoodsForester
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You stated it as if you were referring to the overall body of work from these players (maybe I misunderstood).
There's a nuance, here. I refuted that UGA had "an appreciable edge in talent" across the board. I don't believe that to be true. If it were, USC wouldn't have a better overall record than UGA since 2010, a 4-1 record in the last five years, and the victory on Saturday. I'm not downplaying UGA as a team, at all. I'm simply saying that USC is on the same level, if not better, at many positions.
I'm taking nothing away from Morgan - he's a fine placekicker (seems like y'all grow 'em). I only was saying that, as a whole, USC's special teams were better. Morgan is a RS JR, who just set the SEC mark for consecutive FGs - I take nothing from him, at all. However, comparing last season, Morgan went 22-24, and 47-47 in his PATs. Fry went 15-18 in FGs and 54-of-55 in his PATs last season. Fry's also very, very good; the drop-off from Morgan to Fry isn't so much that it's laughable to suggest that USC's overall STs are better than UGA's.
I've meant no offense. Just talkin' ball.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 2:03 pm to RoyalAir
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I've meant no offense. Just talkin' ball.
Same here. None taken.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 2:28 pm to FlatwoodsForester
You're assessment of both teams is fair ... but you failed to mention special teams - which was really the difference in the game for the most part.
Before the season I said I was worried about our special teams - I'm not any longer.
UGA fans said they were going to be very good on special teams. Y'all were not in this game.
About A&M ... they're better than anyone gave them credit for preseason. They took advantage of our wet behind the ears secondary in the opener. We got caught-up in the hype and overlooked them. The eye test, that night, I felt like they were the bigger, stronger, faster team.
I've drank much liquor trying to forget about that game.
Before the season I said I was worried about our special teams - I'm not any longer.
UGA fans said they were going to be very good on special teams. Y'all were not in this game.
About A&M ... they're better than anyone gave them credit for preseason. They took advantage of our wet behind the ears secondary in the opener. We got caught-up in the hype and overlooked them. The eye test, that night, I felt like they were the bigger, stronger, faster team.
I've drank much liquor trying to forget about that game.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:32 pm to FlatwoodsForester
UGA's QB Mason is above-solid, but his passing was mostly underneath stuff that was high-percentage, but low in yardage gains. He started off the game with a solid bang, going 2 for 2 with a 36-yd completion, then a 33-yd completion for a touchdown. IMO there were substantial breakdowns in USC's secondary coverage that got straightened up immediately, as after that Mason completed 14-20 for 122 yds and 1 td. - an average of 8.7 yds per completion. After that initial possession, UGA's passing game was largely a non-factor the rest of the game...
As far as the USC-UGA matchup went, everyone firstly talked about UGA's Gurley at RB. After him, it'd be USC's Davis at RB. But no one noticed USC's Brandon Wilds.
UGA deliberately paced Gurley's production in the 1st half with reason, as they also did with him versus Clemson in their season-opener. IMO the idea was to have Gurley rested and fresh for the 2nd half, when they hoped to put the offense on his shoulders (preferably with the lead), and ride him to victory.
Gurley rushed 12 times for 87 yds and 1 td in the 2nd half. The announcers praised his unstoppability, the UGA fans rose up and said, "there's our Heisman Hopeful!".
But unnoticed by most was that Wilds out-performed Gurley in the 2nd half, rushing 11 times for 92 yds and 1 td himself after halftime. Of course, Gurley had a couple of huge runs called back on penalties, and Wilds did lose a fumble in the first half. But with Davis hobbled with an ankle injury, Wilds rose up with a huge game. UGA had a little more rushing yds for the game than USC did, but really it was a stale-mate between the 2 teams....
I thought USC's OL was obviously superior to UGA's throughout the game, and made a huge difference in USC gaining their 11-pt. lead in the 1st half behind Thompson and the passing game. Thompson once again allowed a big sack on himself on a roll-out when he had ample time to just throw the ball away. But the OL had nothing to do with that...
The USC defense made baby steps forward vs UGA, and with a struggling Vandy next up they should be able to continue to gel together and gain experience without a huge passing threat bearing down on them...
As far as the USC-UGA matchup went, everyone firstly talked about UGA's Gurley at RB. After him, it'd be USC's Davis at RB. But no one noticed USC's Brandon Wilds.
UGA deliberately paced Gurley's production in the 1st half with reason, as they also did with him versus Clemson in their season-opener. IMO the idea was to have Gurley rested and fresh for the 2nd half, when they hoped to put the offense on his shoulders (preferably with the lead), and ride him to victory.
Gurley rushed 12 times for 87 yds and 1 td in the 2nd half. The announcers praised his unstoppability, the UGA fans rose up and said, "there's our Heisman Hopeful!".
But unnoticed by most was that Wilds out-performed Gurley in the 2nd half, rushing 11 times for 92 yds and 1 td himself after halftime. Of course, Gurley had a couple of huge runs called back on penalties, and Wilds did lose a fumble in the first half. But with Davis hobbled with an ankle injury, Wilds rose up with a huge game. UGA had a little more rushing yds for the game than USC did, but really it was a stale-mate between the 2 teams....
I thought USC's OL was obviously superior to UGA's throughout the game, and made a huge difference in USC gaining their 11-pt. lead in the 1st half behind Thompson and the passing game. Thompson once again allowed a big sack on himself on a roll-out when he had ample time to just throw the ball away. But the OL had nothing to do with that...
The USC defense made baby steps forward vs UGA, and with a struggling Vandy next up they should be able to continue to gel together and gain experience without a huge passing threat bearing down on them...
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:09 am to FlatwoodsForester
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Thompson > Mason
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Possibly, but bad secondaries made both of these QBs look better than they are.
Thompson out-threw Mason in the 1st half alone, going 19-26 for 240 yds and 3 tds by halftime, compared to Mason's 16-22 for 191 yds and 2 tds for the game. Mason's passing production was pretty even throughout the game (12 attempts in 1st half, 10 attempts in 2nd), while Dylan only threw 4 times (going 2 for 4 for 31 yds) after halftime, Spurrier preferring to ride the USC 11-pt. halftime lead and run the game clock down. Dylan could have had a much bigger passing game had SOS let him...
Posted on 9/16/14 at 7:28 am to ConwayGamecock
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Spurrier preferring to ride the USC 11-pt. halftime lead and run the game clock down. Dylan could have had a much bigger passing game had SOS let him...
This actually surprised me a little. Spurrier would like nothing more than to beat the shite out of us. I can't believe he didn't keep passing the ball and lighting up our shitty secondary.
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