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How does an officiating crew let 30 seconds run off the clock...
Posted on 9/14/14 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 9/14/14 at 12:56 pm
...and not notice?
Probably not the biggest blown play from SEC officals yesterday in terms of impact on a game, but it makes the whole crew, along with the guy on the clock, look bad. The clock operator used to be one of the striped shirt crew, back in the day. Is there no communication between the crew on the field and the clock operator? And the play was reviewed, so even the replay official screwed it up. The clock operator himself had to know, because at some point he had to say to himself, "oh f***, I forgot to turn off the clock", right before he finally did.
Probably not the biggest blown play from SEC officals yesterday in terms of impact on a game, but it makes the whole crew, along with the guy on the clock, look bad. The clock operator used to be one of the striped shirt crew, back in the day. Is there no communication between the crew on the field and the clock operator? And the play was reviewed, so even the replay official screwed it up. The clock operator himself had to know, because at some point he had to say to himself, "oh f***, I forgot to turn off the clock", right before he finally did.
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 12:59 pm
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 4:07 pm to BamaGradinTn
What?
Posted on 9/14/14 at 4:13 pm to BamaGradinTn
When did this happen?
Posted on 9/14/14 at 4:43 pm to BamaGradinTn
You mean our play calling confusion is catching?
Now even the officials are having trouble with their signals?
Now even the officials are having trouble with their signals?
Posted on 9/14/14 at 4:52 pm to observant1
No, I saw it too. When the clock should have stopped like 5 different times they ran an extra 5 seconds off. Guess they wanted to get out of the game. 
Posted on 9/14/14 at 5:44 pm to BamaGradinTn
Speaking of officials, can someone tell me why you can't pick up the ball and keep running it if a punt/kick returner muffs the catch? This is one of the dumbest rules in football to me. Why is it not treated as a regular fumble, which it is.
Same thing on onside kicks. why can one team return the ball but the other can't?
Same thing on onside kicks. why can one team return the ball but the other can't?
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:22 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
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When did this happen?
The play I am talking about was the muffed punt that the USM player picked up and took to the endzone. The guy picks the ball up, takes it 29 yards to the endzone, and even after the guy hits the endzone, the clock ran off another 20 seconds before it was stopped. You probably would have had to have been in the stadium to notice. Since the ball should have been blown dead when he recovered it, the time should have been reset to that point. But it wasn't just the few seconds it took him to get to the endzone...the clock operator ran it another 20 seconds after the alleged "touchdown" was scored. And since we ended up getting the ball back, it could have ended up costing us points. And if zebras on the field didn't notice, the replay official should have and had them reset the clock when they gave USM the ball at the 29.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:29 pm to BamaGradinTn
Game was out of hand no fricks were given at that time.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:32 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:I was in the stadium an neither I nor anyone around me noticed this.
You probably would have had to have been in the stadium to notice
Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:35 pm to pvilleguru
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pvilleguru
How does an officiating crew let 30 seconds run off the clock...
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You probably would have had to have been in the stadium to notice
I was in the stadium an neither I nor anyone around me noticed this.
I'm sitting there watching it as it's running and commenting to the guys around me, they're watching it too and we're laughing and saying "well, they're gonna review it, so surely they'll reset the clock." Didn't do it. USM should have taken over with about 3:20 on the clock instead of 2:50.
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 9/14/14 at 8:53 pm to pvilleguru
It's not a regular fumble because the receiving team hasn't had a chance to "possess" the ball.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:02 pm to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:04 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
quote:Sure they did. You have to give them room to make a catch and possession can't change unless they touch the ball. There's their "chance" to possess it. If you can gain possession, why can't you run with it? Makes no damn sense.
It's not a regular fumble because the receiving team hasn't had a chance to "possess" the ball.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:34 pm to pvilleguru
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Makes no damn sense.
Actually, I think I agree. I understand the rule, and I think it's the same at all levels of football, but I've never understood the rationale. If the guy muffs the punt, it can't be advanced, but if he catches it cleanly and takes a couple of steps and gets drilled and fumbles, then it can be advanced. I don't understand the rationale that treats the two differently.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 10:21 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Actually, I think I agree. I understand the rule, and I think it's the same at all levels of football, but I've never understood the rationale. If the guy muffs the punt, it can't be advanced, but if he catches it cleanly and takes a couple of steps and gets drilled and fumbles, then it can be advanced. I don't understand the rationale that treats the two differently.
I assume it's because it's a live ball that was never in possession of the receiving team. Until it is contained in some form, it's technically still fourth down for the kicking team (which is why they can initiate a fake punt if they so choose.) The punter is advancing the ball, in a sense, but the rules surrounding the recovery are somewhat different. The rules say the ball is fair game if it touches a member of the receiving team, but that's not the same as saying it's in the possession of the receiving team. So they can't actually "fumble" it. How can a guy "fumble" a ball that just brushed his leg or shoulder? The reason for the confusion is that punt receiving operates under its own set of rules, including rules for how the ball can be recovered or turned over, so there's not actually a parallel in other aspects of the game. But once a player on the receiving team has control over the football, possession has now changed unequivocally and the normal rules for fumbling apply.
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 9/14/14 at 10:26 pm to randomways
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randomways
All that makes sense to me. Good explanation.
But I still don't know how a seven member officiating crew, a clock operator, and the replay official could let 30 seconds go off the clock without noticing...especially the clock operator. I mean, aside from the normal "SEC refs suck" explanation.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 10:35 pm to BamaGradinTn
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But I still don't know how a seven member officiating crew, a clock operator, and the replay official could let 30 seconds go off the clock without noticing...especially the clock operator. I mean, aside from the normal "SEC refs suck" explanation.
Might as well accept that explanation. It's the most likely one. Refs do, in fact, suck, and it's as good an explanation as any. The clock operator and replay official get a pass, though -- they answer to the officials on the field rather than making their own judgment calls.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 10:52 pm to randomways
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The clock operator and replay official get a pass, though -- they answer to the officials on the field rather than making their own judgment calls.
Yes, but the replay guy when delivering his verdict often tells where to spot the ball and what to reset the game clock to.
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