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Arkansas State Football team forced to remove Christian crosses from helmets

Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:01 am
Posted by BillyBobPorkin
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:01 am


The team had been wearing the decals for two weeks without any complaints. That changed after last Saturday’s nationally televised game against the Tennessee Volunteers.

Jonesboro attorney Louis Nisenbaum sent McDaniel an email complaining about the cross decal.

“That is a clear violation of the Establishment Clause as a state endorsement of the Christian religion,” Nisenbaum wrote. “Please advise whether you agree and whether ASU will continue this practice.”

Ironically, the university’s legal counsel admitted in a letter that there were no specific court cases that addressed crosses on football helmets. Nevertheless, she feared the possibility of a lawsuit.

“It is my opinion that we will not prevail on that challenge and must remove the crosses from the helmets or alter the symbols so that they are a (plus sign) instead of a cross,” she wrote in an email to the athletic director.

The Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation fired off a letter congratulating the university on cleansing the helmets of the Christian symbol.

“The crosses appeared to confer State’s endorsement of religion, specifically Christianity,” the FFRF wrote. “The inclusion of the Latin cross on the helmets also excludes the 19 percent of the American population that is non-religious.”

FFRF co-presidents Annie Lauire Gaylor and Dan Barker went so far as to suggest alternative ways for the football players to mourn.

“Many teams around the country honor former teammates by putting that player’s number on their helmets or jerseys, or by wearing a black armband,” they wrote. “Either of those options, or another symbolic gesture free from religion imagery, would be appropriate.”

That suggestion set off the athletic director.

“I don’t even kinda-sorta care about any organization that tells our students how to grieve,” Mohajir told me. “Everybody grieves differently. I don’t think anybody has the right to tell our students how to memorialize their colleagues, their classmates or any loved ones they have.”

While Mr. Weyer told me he supports the university “100 percent”, he said he took great offense at the FFRF’s attack.


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USA Today article on it, also

From the Washington Post


According to documents provided to USA TODAY Sports by Arkansas State, the inquiry did not initiate with FFRF but rather Jonesboro, Ark., attorney Louis Nisenbaum. He sent an e-mail to University Counsel Lucinda McDaniel on the afternoon Saturday, Sept. 6, pointing out that he noticed the crosses while watching Arkansas State's game at Tennessee earlier that day.





This douche bag lawyer has removed his social media pages and is catching 10 levels of hell there in Jonesboro. He'll probably be run out of town before the year is up. Probably end up in Fayetteville, Arkansas or Memphis.

It was Ole Miss and Clemson getting attacked first, now ASU is cowering down to them. Wish every University would just privatize and get out from under these fricking Gov't dollars and bullshite laws.
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 11:05 am
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:03 am to
This one actually seems like it makes sense.
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:04 am to
Either that or Magma will get him.
Posted by tamctshirt
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:06 am to
They shouldn't have been on there anyway
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:09 am to
If Baylor had half the balls they say they do, they'd replace the BU decal with large crosses for the rest of the season, as a big "frick YOU" to all the people offended by the presence of a religious symbol where they can view it.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:10 am to
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They shouldn't have been on there anyway


frick off
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:11 am to
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Louis Nisenbaum

Lolz
Posted by tamctshirt
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:12 am to
What? I don't think religion shouldn't be forced upon anyone in sports. Now if they want that to be an option, go on ahead. But not as the default helmet.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:14 am to
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The team had been wearing the decals for two weeks without any complaints. That changed after last Saturday’s nationally televised game against the Tennessee Volunteers.


Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:15 am to
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What? I don't think religion shouldn't be forced upon anyone in sports. Now if they want that to be an option, go on ahead. But not as the default helmet.

Did anyone on the team complain? Nope. And just to be clear, is a cross on a helmet forcing religion on anyone really? In any concrete way? Of course it isn't. Pussification.
Posted by Projectpat
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:16 am to
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Now if they want that to be an option, go on ahead. But not as the default helmet.


There's a lot more at play here from a constitutionality standpoint, but as far as your statement here, I don't think that was the case.
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:19 am to
Wicked burn to the Christians.
Posted by tamctshirt
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:21 am to
Well then I change my point to there shouldn't be religion in football PERIOD. What happens if someone behind the scenes is offended (I.e.. jersey washer(s))? Or maybe a dedicated fan is another religion and doesn't want a cross on the helmets of players he's watching. You never know who will be offended, like this lawyer, so why put it in the helmet in the first place?
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:22 am to
Separation of church and Arkansas State.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:23 am to
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Well then I change my point to there shouldn't be religion in football PERIOD. What happens if someone behind the scenes is offended (I.e.. jersey washer(s))? Or maybe a dedicated fan is another religion and doesn't want a cross on the helmets of players he's watching. You never know who will be offended, like this lawyer, so why put it in the helmet in the first place?



Who cares if it offends someone?

I'm offended by Texas aTm being in the SEC.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:24 am to
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Well then I change my point to there shouldn't be religion in football PERIOD. What happens if someone behind the scenes is offended (I.e.. jersey washer(s))? Or maybe a dedicated fan is another religion and doesn't want a cross on the helmets of players he's watching. You never know who will be offended, like this lawyer, so why put it in the helmet in the first place?

Anyone who's offended by a religious symbol on a helmet has pressing issues requiring the attention of a trained counselor.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:26 am to
Maybe he isn't offended by it, but he doesn't think it should be on the helmet. That's the way I feel about it.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:27 am to
You can say that about anything that offends anyone ever.
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:29 am to
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You never know who will be offended, like this lawyer, so why put it in the helmet in the first place?


This isn't about people being offended. If everyone could sue everyone for just being offended, our country would shut down.
Posted by Aubie83
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 11:29 am to
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They shouldn't have been on there anyway


Its not like they were wearing them as an endorsement of any religious affiliation. They were wearing them in honor of two teammates who happend to be Christians.
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