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Could a two quarterback system be our best chance at success?
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:08 am
I know normal circumstances and history indicates that it's best to have a guy and stick with him, but hear me out.
These guys are a lot different, they have different strengths and different weaknesses. I'm not necessarily talking about a 50/50 system like spurrier was prone to do at florida, more like a Leak/Tebow split.
Sims is a better quarterback right now, but he doesn't have the arm strength to stretch the field. I'm afraid when we get into SEC play teams are going to stack the box and challenge Blake to beat them over the top. In comes Coker, defenses are forced to back off for nothing more than the threat of Amari Cooper or Deandrew White taking the top off, and this opens up the run game.
I'd like to see a little zone read mixed into the playbook with both guys. We're going to have to let Sims take his shots to keep defenses honest, I just think having Coker come in every now and then would force defenses to play us honest
I won't be surprised to see us implemement both of them throughout the year. It gives the opponent more to prepare for throughout the week, leaving less time to hone in on what one does really well over the other. I think they complement each other very well. They can both run it, one can pick you apart in the box and the other can throw it 60 yards. I actually think it could be very beneficial to us as the season wears on, moreso than naming sims or coker the guy and riding them through thick an thin.
What are your thoughts? Do you think we're better off naming one guy the or getting them both action in games moving forward?
Either way, this isn't a Coker vs Sims thread. They are both going to get better and they both have different abilities that we can capitalize on as a team moving forward.
These guys are a lot different, they have different strengths and different weaknesses. I'm not necessarily talking about a 50/50 system like spurrier was prone to do at florida, more like a Leak/Tebow split.
Sims is a better quarterback right now, but he doesn't have the arm strength to stretch the field. I'm afraid when we get into SEC play teams are going to stack the box and challenge Blake to beat them over the top. In comes Coker, defenses are forced to back off for nothing more than the threat of Amari Cooper or Deandrew White taking the top off, and this opens up the run game.
I'd like to see a little zone read mixed into the playbook with both guys. We're going to have to let Sims take his shots to keep defenses honest, I just think having Coker come in every now and then would force defenses to play us honest
I won't be surprised to see us implemement both of them throughout the year. It gives the opponent more to prepare for throughout the week, leaving less time to hone in on what one does really well over the other. I think they complement each other very well. They can both run it, one can pick you apart in the box and the other can throw it 60 yards. I actually think it could be very beneficial to us as the season wears on, moreso than naming sims or coker the guy and riding them through thick an thin.
What are your thoughts? Do you think we're better off naming one guy the or getting them both action in games moving forward?
Either way, this isn't a Coker vs Sims thread. They are both going to get better and they both have different abilities that we can capitalize on as a team moving forward.
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 11:09 am
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Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:24 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Sims is a better quarterback right now, but he doesn't have the arm strength to stretch the field
Coker's longest pass this year: 58 yards in the air.
Sims longest pass this year: 56 yards in the air.
Not so sure Sims can't stretch the field.
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What are your thoughts? Do you think we're better off naming one guy the or getting them both action in games moving forward?
I prefer one QB. Usually when there's a 2 QB system, it's because neither guy has stepped up to win it and that's not good.
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:45 am to sarc
Time will tell how both QBs are used this season. I definitely think defenses will need to vary their practices based on what both QBs bring.
It seems that Coker was given many more chances to throw the deep pass compared to Sims. Of course, Sims only got to throw 13 passes all game. I'm sure coaches will study tendencies of defenses when each of the QBs are in the game and use it to our advantage.
I, for one, am glad we have another tune-up game this weekend for both QBs to develop further.
It seems that Coker was given many more chances to throw the deep pass compared to Sims. Of course, Sims only got to throw 13 passes all game. I'm sure coaches will study tendencies of defenses when each of the QBs are in the game and use it to our advantage.
I, for one, am glad we have another tune-up game this weekend for both QBs to develop further.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:46 am to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:A. I'm not convinced he can't throw the ball down the field. He hasn't needed to.
but he doesn't have the arm strength to stretch the field.
B. The WCO stretches the field horizontally as much as vertically to open up the run game between the tackles.
I think it's going to work itself out naturally, either way. What I'd like to see, personally, is one of them get a ton of game reps before UF while exploring some new wrinkles against USM.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:52 am to sarc
to be fair Cooper was most of that 56 yards. The few long passes Sims has made have been dropped. I think as a fan base we need to come to terms with the idea that this offense is what we are going to get. It will likely win us 9 to 10 games but unless Sims is able to be a consistent down field threat teams will stack the box and stop the run forcing Sims to beat them with his arm. Sims is the starter and should be because Coker is not ready nor is he close to being ready. Unless our defense is much better than what we have seen, expectations need to be tempered, This is simply not a championship caliber team in my opinion. Hope I am wrong
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:55 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Sims has enough arm to throw 30yds or so in the air with good accuracy and velocity, which is plenty to keep defenses honest
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:56 am to JuiceTerry
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A. I'm not convinced he can't throw the ball down the field. He hasn't needed to.
When Coker is in we throw it deep. When sims is in we do not. Why do you think that is? The coaches watch these guys every day, they know what their strengths are.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:57 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Ive been impressed with Sims, and unless Coker shows a whole lot of improvement he's the backup. I think his problems are a little deeper than just learning the system.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:58 am to justausedcarguy
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Ive been impressed with Sims
I think we all have, so far he's exceeded everyone's expectations.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:21 pm to labamafan
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to be fair Cooper was most of that 56 yards
56 yards in the air. I'll go back and edit my previous post to make it clearer
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:23 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:Did you see the two same plays they diagrammed on Saturday? A deep cross and deep post combo. Sims made the correct read and hit the deep cross. Coker, in my opinion, also made the right read and threw deep. Same play for both QBs. I think the coaches have pounded the "take what the defense gives you" into Blakesiah's head a WHOLE lot. It's not like the deep routes aren't available.
When Coker is in we throw it deep. When sims is in we do not. Why do you think that is? The coaches watch these guys every day, they know what their strengths are.
There is a lot of skepticism about Blake against SEC-type opponents. I think his running threat almost negates his conceived non-deep ball threat. We'll see. Roll Tide.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:49 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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When Coker is in we throw it deep. When sims is in we do not. Why do you think that is? The coaches watch these guys every day, they know what their strengths are.
Actually, Coker threw deep into double coverage and should have checked down to the underneath receiver. The same play was ran with Sims in the 2nd half and he threw to the correct receiver underneath for a nice gain.
Those long balls by Coker down the middle were not good decisions by him and he was lucky they weren't picked off, which would be the case vs a good defense.
Edited : juice said basically the same thing as I.
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:56 pm to spacewrangler
Jesus. I wish y'all would go watch that play again. I know exactly which one you're talking about. Cooper was 2-3 steps behind the defense and a safety was dropping down to take away the deep cross. It is never a bad decision to throw it to Amari Cooper when he is the deepest guy on the field, Coker just made a bad throw. It was the perfect read, if he throws the cross it either gets picked or jones gets his head knocked off.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 1:11 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Jesus has nothing to do with it Rise, I'll watch it again but maybe you need to as well. The announcers even said he needed to hit the underneath receiver on the play I'm talking about.
Coker made a bad throw that would've been an INT vs UF and most SEC defenses.
Coker made a bad throw that would've been an INT vs UF and most SEC defenses.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 1:21 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Jesus. I wish y'all would go watch that play again. I know exactly which one you're talking about. Cooper was 2-3 steps behind the defense and a safety was dropping down to take away the deep cross. It is never a bad decision to throw it to Amari Cooper when he is the deepest guy on the field, Coker just made a bad throw. It was the perfect read, if he throws the cross it either gets picked or jones gets his head knocked off.
Cokers over throw was to Stewart. Cooper was the short guy in the read, I think!
Posted on 9/8/14 at 1:29 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Cooper was the underneath guy and he was open. Was not the perfect read. If he throws the cross it is either a huge gain or a TD.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 1:32 pm to spacewrangler
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The announcers
Don't even get me started.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 1:34 pm to Funky Tide 8
Watch it again. Safety drops off the deep post to take this route away. The deep route was triple covered, one guy drops down to take away the cross and the receiver gets behind the defense over the top. When that happens you let it fly.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 1:38 pm to asphinctersayswhat
The Sims pass to Christion Jones that was dropped:
Pass to Jones
Thrown from: Bama 33-34
Jones drop: WV 8-9
Pass in air: 57-59 yards
If Jones not there and ball landed: add 1-2 yards= 58-61 yards in air
IF you really want to know the distance he threw the ball, also add in the horizontal distance as Jones was 10-12 yards left of where Sims threw the pass.
Hypotenuse of a triangle formula:
Hypotenuse Calculator
Overall Pass was thrown 59-62 yards in the air. Not sure I'd call that a "weak" arm.
Pass to Jones
Thrown from: Bama 33-34
Jones drop: WV 8-9
Pass in air: 57-59 yards
If Jones not there and ball landed: add 1-2 yards= 58-61 yards in air
IF you really want to know the distance he threw the ball, also add in the horizontal distance as Jones was 10-12 yards left of where Sims threw the pass.
Hypotenuse of a triangle formula:
Hypotenuse Calculator
Overall Pass was thrown 59-62 yards in the air. Not sure I'd call that a "weak" arm.
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 9/8/14 at 1:38 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Imagine coming out in the wildcat with Sims and Coker in the back field....
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