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Playoff Preview (example from the past): How would you rank 2001 scenerio?

Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:15 pm
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:15 pm
I know this may be confusing idea, but IMO the 2001 season represents the most realistic worst case scenario for the SEC in the coming format--true worst case is having an undefeated team left out but that's not happening.

You had two highly ranked teams (UF, UT) but neither are conference champs and a weak champ. Who gets in?

Looking back to 2001, you have undefeated Miami, who is in retrospect arguably the greatest team in a generation, but they didn't begin at the top.

After Miami, you have a whole lot of confusion, including arguments for 2 and possibly 3 SEC teams--problem is that the higher ranked Tennessee and Florida were not conference champs, while 3 loss LSU was. In total there are 13 teams with an argument, as they either have 2 or fewer losses or major conference champ.

You also have 3 Big12 teams with a solid arguments as well as a 1-loss Oregon from the Pac 10.

So, who are your final 3 teams after Miami and what criteria do you use?

Likewise, in today's time where Miami=FSU and UF/UT=SEC West, LSU=SEC East scrub, and Big 12=Pac12, how would you see it going down?


2. Nebraska: 11-1, Big 12 North Runner Up. By the end of the season, 1 win over ranked team (10 Oklahoma) and bad loss to 3 Colorado .

Pros: double digit margins of victory of ranked Notre Dame (17 at time) and Oklahoma (2 at time).

Cons: 36-62 Loss to Colorado last week of season, failed to win division
Nebraska

3. Colorado: 10-2, Big 12 Champs. 2 wins over top 10 end of season, and 2 losses to No. 9 and No. 20.

Pros: Big 12 Champs with big wins last week of season vs No. 2 Nebraska (62-36) and Big 12 CG vs No. 3 Texas (39-37). Considered "toughest" schedule of contenders.

Cons: 2 Losses; first in week 1 to then unranked Fresno at home (22-24), but by end of season FSU was No. 20. Also lost badly to No. 9 Texas on road 7-41).
Colorado

4. Oregon: 10-1, Pac 10 Champs. Ducks wins looked less impressive by years end. Loss to No. 11 Stanford at home and win @ No. 13 Washington State.

Pros: Pac 10 champs with wins over 3 ranked teams, Wisconsin (No. 22 (31-28), @WSU (No. 13 42-49), @ UCLA (No. 17 21-20).

Cons: Loss to then unranked Stanford at home 42-49. Considered "weakest" schedule of serious contenders. Oregon

5. Florida: 10-2 SEC East Runner Up. Preseason No. 1 had wins over ranked LSU, USC, and FSU in blowouts. Lost to 7-5 Auburn and Tennessee at home in big game last week of season.

Pros: 5 wins, some blowouts vs ranked teams (#21 MSU 52-0, @#18 LSU 44-15, #15 #UGA 24-10, @#14 USC 54-17, #20 FSU 37-13.

Cons: Didn't win division, loses at unranked Auburn 20-23 and at home vs No.2 Tennessee 32-34.
Florida

6. Tennessee 10-2, SEC East Champs. Tough schedule with wins over ranked teams: Florida (5), LSU (12), USC (14), and Syracuse (18). Loss to #16 UGA and LSU in SEC CG.

Pros: SEC East champs by beating UF at Swamp last week of season. Wins over ranked LSU (14 26-18), USC (12 17-10), @ Florida (2 34-32) and OOC Syracuse 33-9. No. 3 toughest schedule, with CU only one close of contenders.

Cons: Didn't win conference CG in rematch in 20-31 loss to 21 LSU. Home loss to then unranked UGA 24-26. Tennessee

No. 7 Texas: 10-2, Big 12 South Champs. Crushing Big 12 CG loss as they sat at No. 3. Split with CU and loss to OU.

Pros: Big 12 South Champs and win over No. 14 Colorado. Many blowouts of bad teams

Cons: Weakest schedule of Contenders, loss in Big 12 CG played in Dallas. Loss to No. 3 Oklahoma 3-14.
Texas

Below are the final BCS standings and a matrix of how the final top 25 (December 9) performed against other ranked teams:




I would go:
1. Miami
2. Oregon
3. Colorado
4. Tennessee



This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 12:26 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:17 pm to
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4. Tennessee

LSU deserves it more than Tenn.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

LSU deserves it more than Tenn.



It's a tough call. If this year, a 3 loss USC wins the SEC over a now 2-loss Bama/LSU/A&M/Auburn would you put USC in the playoffs?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

It's a tough call. If this year, a 3 loss USC wins the SEC over a now 2-loss Bama/LSU/A&M/Auburn would you put USC in the playoffs?

Yes. I see the conference championship games like the first round of the playoffs. You win, you advance, you lose, you're out.

Otherwise the advance is not merit based, and you devalue the championship game to zero.

You may as well not even have a playoff, just award the trophy to whomever looks most deserving.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:39 pm to
One of my favorite years. Miami, Colorado and Oregon are no-brainers based on the eyeball test.
Colorado was considered the best team at that exact moment in time.
Nebraska is out because CU gave them the worst beating in their history.
Illinois would be my number four. They beat five top twenty teams and were on a great run at the end of the season.
I wouldn't feel great about it though.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

Yes. I see the conference championship games like the first round of the playoffs. You win, you advance, you lose, you're out.

Otherwise the advance is not merit based, and you devalue the championship game to zero.

You may as well not even have a playoff, just award the trophy to whomever looks most deserving
.

I don't necessarily disagree. But that's my fear with the committee and no real clarity on criteria. What is more important?

You have year like 2001, I would argue UF and UT were "better" teams but they didn't get the hardware. On paper, does a 3 loss LSU trump UF, UT, Nebraska, etc. If conference championships are the measurement, great, but I fear it will differ every year.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:46 pm to
I didn't do preview of Illinois bc of time, but they obviously have a case too.

Lot of close games but 25 point loss to Michigan looms large IMO.

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So you'd put them above all SEC teams and Nebraska. Obviously championships are important to you too.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:50 pm to
I'm biased because I want to see an 8-team play off with the champions of the Big 5 conferences get auto bids, and the last three slots made up of the champions of highest rated smaller conferences.

That way, it's win your conference or bust. Give MORE meaning to the conference championship, don't take all of its meaning away.
Posted by NorthGAVol
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:52 pm to
VOLS and Florida were the only two teams in the country that year that could've given Miami a game imo.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:52 pm to
I'd eliminate Nebraska because of the nature and time of their loss. 62-36 in their last game against one of the other participants. And it wasn't that close. CU could have scored 80. Seriously.

Tenn would be the only other I'd consider and I'd unenthusiastically give Illinois the nod based on good top-25 wins, a one-loss season and their only loss being in September.

LSU and UF have no real case imho. LSU sure as heck would have after the bowls.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:57 pm to
1. Miami
2. Colorado
3. Oregon
4. Nebraska
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:01 pm to
So far Miami, CU, Oregon are unanimous, favoring conference champs.

The 4th is totally subjective.

I just don't see Illinois or what their quality wins were to bump UF or UT.

Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:02 pm to
How about these:

2007
Ohio State (11-1, Big Ten champs)
LSU (11-2, SEC champs)
Virginia Tech (11-2, ACC champs)
Oklahoma (11-2, Big XII champs)
Georgia (10-2)
Missouri (11-2)
USC (10-2, Pac 10 champs)
Kansas (11-1)
West Virginia (10-2, Big East champs)
Hawaii (12-0, WAC champs)

2008
Oklahoma (12-1, Big XII champs)
Florida (12-1, SEC champs)
Texas (11-1)
Alabama (12-1)
USC (11-1, Pac 10 champs)
Utah (12-0, MWC champs)
Texas Tech (11-1)
Penn State (11-1, Big Ten champs)
Boise State (12-0, WAC champs)
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:07 pm to
Oh yeah, those two are right up there. I just thought 2001 had a little more openness considering Nebraska's role and the SEC specifically. Would an SEC team be left out now under this situation?

Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:07 pm to
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This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:24 pm to
You'd really have to jump through all kind of hoops to justify SEC participation. SEC champion LSU is out with three losses.

That leaves Tenn and UF, neither of whom won the SEC and both of whom have two losses. Regardless how could you pick one over the other? And justify it with a straight face?

Sadly-based on record, momentum, schedule, etc-the correct choice is a mediocre Illinois. Unless somebody wants to make the case for Maryland.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:29 pm to
Win your conference, get opportunity to be in top 4.

NO SEC teams in top 4 playoff in 2001 and I do not have a problem with it.

Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:07 pm to
I disagree on Illinois. Id put UT in based on quality wins and losses and fact that they played extra game.

I'm not a proponent of that, but think they had the best resume. It's a tough call though.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:23 pm to
It doesn't really matter because Miami would've stomped #4.
Posted by allin2010
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:23 pm to
ESPN would be pushing Bama...
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