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Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:44 pm
Tried this on the MSB, but might have better insight on the SECR..
I was driving home today from work and unfortunately found out that Finebaum is now syndicated in Atlanta.
There was a guy who called in talking about the history of the SEC and Florida State's bid for admission in 1990.
Does anyone know the back story here? He claimed FSU wanted to join the conference (which I knew) but ultimately decided they didn't want to because they feared playing Auburn/Florida and other SEC teams (which I did not know).
I've tried googling for some history but can't find anything. Anyone got knowledge on this ?
I was driving home today from work and unfortunately found out that Finebaum is now syndicated in Atlanta.
There was a guy who called in talking about the history of the SEC and Florida State's bid for admission in 1990.
Does anyone know the back story here? He claimed FSU wanted to join the conference (which I knew) but ultimately decided they didn't want to because they feared playing Auburn/Florida and other SEC teams (which I did not know).
I've tried googling for some history but can't find anything. Anyone got knowledge on this ?
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Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:45 pm to catfish 62
The same answer I gave you over there still applies
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:48 pm to MontyFranklyn
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The same answer I gave you over there still applies
how bout some copy and paste love for this board...
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:49 pm to catfish 62
Bowden was a pussy:
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Bobby Bowden knew best in the early 1990s when Florida State was being simultaneously courted by the SEC and the ACC. In fact, Bobby made a boxing analogy and compared the ACC to the tomato cans that the aging, overweight George Foreman was beating up on at the time in his quest to regain the heavyweight championship.
"I'm like George Foreman," Bowden said then. "I like to pick those unranked guys out and fight 'em. Ol' George is out there knocking out these no-names, but he'll be fighting for the heavyweight championship directly.
"Everybody just assumed ol' Bobby was raised in the heart of the SEC, so naturally he's going to want to jump right in. Maybe I know too much about the SEC to want to join up."
LINK
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:55 pm to MontyFranklyn
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The same answer I gave you over there still applies
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:55 pm to catfish 62
Looking back on it they would have still been extremely successful in the early years. Of course they'd have to play UF Bama and other SEC opponents, but now they get sweet opponents like Syracuse and Boston College.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:56 pm to catfish 62
Beeeech you stupid
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:02 pm to plazadweller
I've always been somewhat of a Bobby Bowden fan.
But, he flat pussed out on this back in the day.
He knew they'd get lost in the shuffle if they joined tSEC, even back then.
But, he flat pussed out on this back in the day.
He knew they'd get lost in the shuffle if they joined tSEC, even back then.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:09 pm to MontyFranklyn
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The same answer I gave you over there still applies
All you did was say "he didn't want to play auburn and Florida"
I'm looking for something more concrete before I come blazing on the FSU guy at the office tomorrow....
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:11 pm to catfish 62
Well this is something for the FSU guy if he tries to deny that they ever had a choice between the two conferences (like many STILL do): https://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990-09-16/sports/9009160264_1_sliger-join-the-acc-florida-state
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:12 pm to catfish 62
quote:Well that is what Bowden said. He was a puss that took the easy way
All you did was say "he didn't want to play auburn and Florida"
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:14 pm to catfish 62
They chose the path most traveled. Easy street. Wimped out big time.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:14 pm to catfish 62
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All you did was say "he didn't want to play auburn and Florida"
I'm looking for something more concrete before I come blazing on the FSU guy at the office tomorrow....
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Some quotes from Bobby Bowden about joining the SEC in 1990.
St. Pete Times, 9/17/90, page 10C
"I think we made a wise decision and we have more flexibility. When your in the SEC you can't afford to play a good non-conference schedule. Playing in the ACC we can play a Notre Dame , Miami and Florida. There's six teams in the SEC that can win the conference championship, that’s a negative rather than a positive. I want to win national Championships".
L. A. Times, 9/20/90, section C9
"Joining the ACC instead of the SEC was the smart play. No team wins a national Championship with an 8-3 record. We were willing to join the SEC as long as we didn't have to play Alabama and Auburn in the same year, but the SEC declined".
Read more: LINK
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When Florida State joined the ACC in 1990, it turned down an invitation from the SEC. What would have happened had FSU president Bernie Sliger, Goin and Bowden agreed to that move?
“Our goal was to win national championships [in football] and going to the ACC gave us the best chance,” Bowden said, not hesitating for a second to confirm what many SEC fans believe about Florida State, that the move to the ACC was partly an avoidance of the more rugged SEC.
At the time, Bowden had nothing for which to apologize to critics who said he ducked the SEC. Through the 1990 season, Bowden had a 26-15-1 record against the SEC and from 1987-1990, his Seminole teams beat the SEC champion, co-champion or the team that had the league’s best record (Florida was ineligible to win the SEC title in 1990) every season, by an average of two touchdowns.
But Bowden admits that it would have been much tougher to finish among the top four in the nation and win at least 10 games for 14 seasons in a row in the SEC.
“We could beat their best team but week in and week out would have been very difficult,” Bowden said. “Instead of winning the ACC championship every year like we did [the first nine years in the league], we might have been second, third or fourth in the SEC. I wouldn’t be in anyone’s Hall of Fame with a bunch of third places.”
Goin called the ACC “a vehicle to win national championships.”
If there was a window for FSU to join the SEC, it may have closed last year with the addition of Texas A&M and Missouri to form a 14-team conference. Unless there is a move to four 16-team “super conferences,” the Seminoles’ only option may be to stay in the ACC or go to the Big 12.
According to official pronouncements, the sentiment is for FSU to stay put. The Big 12 also said recently is it not considering further expansion.
The ACC also doesn't want the Seminoles to go anywhere.
“Overall, I think Florida State has been an excellent member of the ACC,” Swofford said. “The relationship has been, and I would anticipate that it will continue to be, very beneficial to both parties.”
“It’s been a good fit,” Bowden added. “I believe it’s still in FSU’s best interests to remain in the ACC.”
But with 11 college programs either switching BCS conferences or moving into BCS leagues since Nebraska bolted the Big 12 for the Big Ten in 2010, sentiment can rapidly change.
“The ACC is a wonderful conference and it made sense to join that conference in 1990,” Goin said. “But the sands have shifted.”
Read more at Jacksonville.com: LINK
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:15 pm to SouthdownsTiger
One of his reasons for being a puss about joining the SEC, is that he didn't want to play Bama and Auburn in the same year. Take a look at the current ACC, schools are hundreds of miles from each other. Travel wise, this is why I wish that the SEC would have never added Missouri. Missouri is a Midwestern school that has no ties to the South. TBH, the same can be said about Kentucky.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:16 pm to catfish 62
Wanted first choices, wound up with third or fourth runner-ups.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:18 pm to avondale88
It's all on Bowden.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:25 pm to SeaCay
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SeaCay
Thanks, this is what I was looking for. Pretty weak of Bowden to go for the cupcakes, although they did smoke some SEC teams in the late 80's. No doubt that would be different today.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:26 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Well that is what Bowden said. He was a puss that took the easy way
I don't doubt he did it. Just wanted to see it, like the poster below showed.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:28 pm to catfish 62
Playing Auburn, Bama, Georgia and Florida would have been brutal. All four teams travel well and are tough to beat on the road and at home
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:29 pm to SeaCay
Was? I missed the rehab result.
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