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Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:42 pm
This thread MASH HERE got me thinking ...
It's a wonder we've survived.
Some of you here may remember the 70s and 80s at South Carolina, I dunno. For those that cannot remember those days - there were two decades of total pandemonium.
What is amazing to me is that we, somehow, continued to function during those two decades and we continued to make a little progress ... enough to eventually get us invited into the SEC.
Total up-and-down of emotions:
It really all started in 1969 when we felt we were just hitting our stride.
1969 we win the ACC Championship in Football, plus McGuire has us among the elite in basketball.
The better we got, the more the ACC fought to keep us down and we finally file suit against them in '71, we leave the conference in '72, and we win the suit shortly afterwards. We were right to challenge Tobacco Road by the way, and winning in court validated that fact.
But man oh man was there infighting among us ... our major boosters, our Board of Trustees, our President and head coaches ... you just cannot imagine.
Our football fortunes continued to improve. We would have won the ACC a few times with our football teams in the 70s ... and we appeared to be gaining an advantage over Clemson, especially with the big '75 win. Basketball was falling-off a little, but not much. We were still Top Ten year-in and year-out.
We hired Bobby Richardson, we hired Pam Parsons, we were making money ...
BAM!
Holderman is hired and the shite pot was stirred - mainly among our BoT members taking sides with coaches and Holderman sitting back and loving all the discontent he had started.
The local media, The State Newspaper, kept the shite spot stirred too ... constantly coming out with columns and articles slamming the school, slamming coaches, making accusations without a shred of proof.
Clemson goes into full-bore cheating in 1976. We were powerless to stop it because our leaders were all too busy fighting among themselves.
Jim Carlen almost attacks Terry Chick over accusations Chick made publicly about George Rogers' academics ... sheeeesh the local media was always up our asses.
McGuire gets run-out, with a $400k payout, equal to about three million these days. Bill Foster comes-in from Duke and proceeds to frick things up. We hire George Felton to replace him and Felton drank too much ... but we should have handled that differently. We alienated a bunch of our players, key players, important players, with the way we treated both Felton and McGuire.
Richard Bell totally flops as an interim coach between Carlin and Morrison ... we lose to Furman. Ouch.
A couple of years earlier we were hammered in a Sports Illustrated article about Pam Parsons, our outstanding women's basketball coach at the time, having lesbian relationships with some of her players.
Some of her players left the program. Parsons and Tina Buck leave the program in shame.
Holderman had us embroiled in a scandal with the Shah of Iran's widow. Plus he was hitting on the school boys and spending a lot of university money.
The Tommy Chaiken steroid scandal hits ... again, in a Sports Illustrated article. Major sanctions. Best recruiting class in history to that point falls apart.
Joe Morrison dies in the shower.
Holderman indicted.
How we survived the 70s and 80s I do not know. Absolutely piss poor leadership.
But not only did we survive, we are now flourishing. Thank Dr. John Palms, he turned it around. Proof that it all starts at the top.
We are absolutely ginning now. We've surpassed Clemson, that's a done deal. More money, more power, more clout in the SEC .... but how we got here still just amazes me.
Do you realize how fortuitous it was for us to be admitted into the SEC and how tough it was for us to battle our way to where we are now?
What finally got us over the hump in everything was that first baseball national championship. That was the first step on the latest flight upwards to serious prominence, but damn it was a long time coming.
It's a wonder we've survived.
Some of you here may remember the 70s and 80s at South Carolina, I dunno. For those that cannot remember those days - there were two decades of total pandemonium.
What is amazing to me is that we, somehow, continued to function during those two decades and we continued to make a little progress ... enough to eventually get us invited into the SEC.
Total up-and-down of emotions:
It really all started in 1969 when we felt we were just hitting our stride.
1969 we win the ACC Championship in Football, plus McGuire has us among the elite in basketball.
The better we got, the more the ACC fought to keep us down and we finally file suit against them in '71, we leave the conference in '72, and we win the suit shortly afterwards. We were right to challenge Tobacco Road by the way, and winning in court validated that fact.
But man oh man was there infighting among us ... our major boosters, our Board of Trustees, our President and head coaches ... you just cannot imagine.
Our football fortunes continued to improve. We would have won the ACC a few times with our football teams in the 70s ... and we appeared to be gaining an advantage over Clemson, especially with the big '75 win. Basketball was falling-off a little, but not much. We were still Top Ten year-in and year-out.
We hired Bobby Richardson, we hired Pam Parsons, we were making money ...
BAM!
Holderman is hired and the shite pot was stirred - mainly among our BoT members taking sides with coaches and Holderman sitting back and loving all the discontent he had started.
The local media, The State Newspaper, kept the shite spot stirred too ... constantly coming out with columns and articles slamming the school, slamming coaches, making accusations without a shred of proof.
Clemson goes into full-bore cheating in 1976. We were powerless to stop it because our leaders were all too busy fighting among themselves.
Jim Carlen almost attacks Terry Chick over accusations Chick made publicly about George Rogers' academics ... sheeeesh the local media was always up our asses.
McGuire gets run-out, with a $400k payout, equal to about three million these days. Bill Foster comes-in from Duke and proceeds to frick things up. We hire George Felton to replace him and Felton drank too much ... but we should have handled that differently. We alienated a bunch of our players, key players, important players, with the way we treated both Felton and McGuire.
Richard Bell totally flops as an interim coach between Carlin and Morrison ... we lose to Furman. Ouch.
A couple of years earlier we were hammered in a Sports Illustrated article about Pam Parsons, our outstanding women's basketball coach at the time, having lesbian relationships with some of her players.
Some of her players left the program. Parsons and Tina Buck leave the program in shame.
Holderman had us embroiled in a scandal with the Shah of Iran's widow. Plus he was hitting on the school boys and spending a lot of university money.
The Tommy Chaiken steroid scandal hits ... again, in a Sports Illustrated article. Major sanctions. Best recruiting class in history to that point falls apart.
Joe Morrison dies in the shower.
Holderman indicted.
How we survived the 70s and 80s I do not know. Absolutely piss poor leadership.
But not only did we survive, we are now flourishing. Thank Dr. John Palms, he turned it around. Proof that it all starts at the top.
We are absolutely ginning now. We've surpassed Clemson, that's a done deal. More money, more power, more clout in the SEC .... but how we got here still just amazes me.
Do you realize how fortuitous it was for us to be admitted into the SEC and how tough it was for us to battle our way to where we are now?
What finally got us over the hump in everything was that first baseball national championship. That was the first step on the latest flight upwards to serious prominence, but damn it was a long time coming.
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:15 pm to scrooster
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Some of you here may remember the 70s and 80s at South Carolina, I dunno. For those that cannot remember those days - there were two decades of total pandemonium.
Wasn't born then but I remember when we were celebrating the 1984 team one season Hold said he really thought they had built something sustainable but it all fell a part. Yeah a few years later we had some respectable 8-4 seasons but I guess the steroid scandal derailed everything correct? And then we joined the SEC and we weren't even close to an SEC level team, both in talent and relative facilities correct?
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1969 we win the ACC Championship in Football, plus McGuire has us among the elite in basketball.
Yeah isn't it crazy? We won the football title in '69, won the basketball title in '70 and then left in '71.
eta: I can't remember who but there is a host on 107.5 who will sometimes mention that he believes that the worst thing that we ever did for our athletic program was leave the ACC.. but the best thing we ever did was join the SEC.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:30 pm to theGarnetWay
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Wasn't born then but I remember when we were celebrating the 1984 team one season Hold said he really thought they had built something sustainable but it all fell a part. Yeah a few years later we had some respectable 8-4 seasons but I guess the steroid scandal derailed everything correct? And then we joined the SEC and we weren't even close to an SEC level team, both in talent and relative facilities correct?
Correct.
We were so outclassed on every level. Coaching, facilities, talent.
But we had great fans and a large stadium and we had potential .... a lot of credit goes back to Paul Dietzel.
We had the will and desire and those traits were palatable.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:42 pm to theGarnetWay
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Yeah isn't it crazy? We won the football title in '69, won the basketball title in '70 and then left in '71.
eta: I can't remember who but there is a host on 107.5 who will sometimes mention that he believes that the worst thing that we ever did for our athletic program was leave the ACC.. but the best thing we ever did was join the SEC.
The fan base was split down the middle on leaving the ACC. It was not uncommon to see, or hear of, fights on the street over that question.
There were "Get out of the ACC" bumper stickers on cars .... signs in peoples' yards. A streaker ran across campus with it painted on his back and ACC on his arse.
It was the main subject on TV sports reports every night. It was in the paper every day. Gene McKay and Bill Benton opened their popular morning radio show with the news every morning.
Dietzel always said, "The first step is the hardest one ... getting us out of the ACC. We will one day be in the SEC if we take care of business."
He was right.
But McGuire was a basketball man so he was an ACC man.
There was only so much bullshite we could take from Tobacco Road .... and they pushed us past our limits.
I dunno who said it on 107.5 the game ... but he is a fool. I would suspect it was either Benji Norton maybe, or the Phillips guy? Could have been Hubbs is it? I dunno. The few times I've listened I've heard some really ridiculous stuff from some who claim to be experts.
Had we not bitten the bullet and left the ACC, the ACC would have destroyed us.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:02 am to scrooster
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I dunno who said it on 107.5 the game ... but he is a fool. I would suspect it was either Benji Norton maybe, or the Phillips guy? Could have been Hubbs is it? I dunno. The few times I've listened I've heard some really ridiculous stuff from some who claim to be experts.
Had we not bitten the bullet and left the ACC, the ACC would have destroyed us.
No it was the older guy who does the morning show.
I think he just means how disastrous it was for our athletic programs to try and go out and be independent. I know there were a lot more independents out there than there are today but did that move not completely kill our basketball and football momentum?
eta: Perhaps if the opportunity where there to jump straight into the SEC he wouldn't believe that, but drifting around as a football independent and a nobody conference in other sports for 20 years dealt a serious blow.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 12:04 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 7:29 am to scrooster
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Jim Carlen almost attacks Terry Chick over accusations Chick made publicly about George Rogers' academics ... sheeeesh the local media was always up our asses.
Glad we have the Dodie now.
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What finally got us over the hump in everything was that first baseball national championship. That was the first step on the latest flight upwards to serious prominence, but damn it was a long time coming.
We're just a quality piece of hardware away in football.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:12 pm to scrooster
I really want to hear about the board wars. I want in.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:14 pm to theGarnetWay
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No it was the older guy who does the morning show.
Tommy Moody or Bob Spears?
Doesn't sound like something Tommy would say.
Bob has always been a bit of an ACC apologist, barely old enough to remember when we got out of the ACC but old enough to have been maybe influenced by his parents who may have been pro-ACC.
I've actually heard Bob defend Clemson and the ACC on several occasions so it sounds like something Bob may have said perhaps.
ETA: Benji is probably in his mid-50s as well so I suppose "older guy" is relative.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:39 pm to scrooster
Hell of a post scrooster. I didn't fully realize everything that happened back in those days...my love affair for the Gamecocks began in '84 during the Black Magic days when I was 10 years old. No doubt we were both wise and lucky in joining the SEC in '92 (my freshman year at Carolina by the way). Thanks for sharing 
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:30 am to scrooster
good stuff scrooster. some other little tidbits to your story. we were in close discussion w/ FSU, Penn St. and I think Miami to create our own conference in the 80's. word got out to the Big 10, who decided to grab Penn St. SEC expansion was started by Dick Bestwick, who was Vince Dooley's right hand man at UGA and also worked some at the SEC office. Bestwick & Dooley had actually brought up the subject at a SEC meeting of expanding and adding USC in the 80's before PSU's jump to the B10. we then hired Bestwick to be AD to replace Marcum who was fired. Bestwick, w/ Dooley's support again made a plea to the SEC for expansion w/ USC. Bestwick didn't last long at USC because of health issues, but he supposedly did get the SEC to create an expansion committee to explore the idea. some USC BOT members were aware of what was going on and lobbying for support w/ UGA. King Dixon just walked into the situation. I learned this from one of the BOT members that was involved.
A few years ago, I actually met Dick Bestwick in Athens who later retired from UGA and he confirmed it all (in front of a bunch of UGA friends that didn't realize that UGA played such an integral role.)
I agree we had a lot of missed opportunities to do something great like w/ Dietsel and Carlen, but the SEC more than made up for it. I wish the University would do something to recognize Dick Bestwick's contribution.
A few years ago, I actually met Dick Bestwick in Athens who later retired from UGA and he confirmed it all (in front of a bunch of UGA friends that didn't realize that UGA played such an integral role.)
I agree we had a lot of missed opportunities to do something great like w/ Dietsel and Carlen, but the SEC more than made up for it. I wish the University would do something to recognize Dick Bestwick's contribution.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:07 am to winyahpercy
Great post, Rooster. But, as far as I am concerned, the biggest mistake we made was not hiring Dick Sheridan and several of his staff when we could have. He wanted to come to Columbia.
The above only barely edged not hiring Cremins when we could have.
Also, I have to mention Warren Giese, who had an overall winning record. Our record would have be a lot better if he had passed a little. He had the studs.
The above only barely edged not hiring Cremins when we could have.
Also, I have to mention Warren Giese, who had an overall winning record. Our record would have be a lot better if he had passed a little. He had the studs.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 2:25 am to winyahpercy
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good stuff scrooster. some other little tidbits to your story. we were in close discussion w/ FSU, Penn St. and I think Miami to create our own conference in the 80's. word got out to the Big 10, who decided to grab Penn St. SEC expansion was started by Dick Bestwick, who was Vince Dooley's right hand man at UGA and also worked some at the SEC office. Bestwick & Dooley had actually brought up the subject at a SEC meeting of expanding and adding USC in the 80's before PSU's jump to the B10. we then hired Bestwick to be AD to replace Marcum who was fired. Bestwick, w/ Dooley's support again made a plea to the SEC for expansion w/ USC. Bestwick didn't last long at USC because of health issues, but he supposedly did get the SEC to create an expansion committee to explore the idea. some USC BOT members were aware of what was going on and lobbying for support w/ UGA. King Dixon just walked into the situation. I learned this from one of the BOT members that was involved.
A few years ago, I actually met Dick Bestwick in Athens who later retired from UGA and he confirmed it all (in front of a bunch of UGA friends that didn't realize that UGA played such an integral role.)
I agree we had a lot of missed opportunities to do something great like w/ Dietsel and Carlen, but the SEC more than made up for it. I wish the University would do something to recognize Dick Bestwick's contribution.
Reading all this, it's a little bit ironic I think that Bestwick was a college player and graduate of the University of North Carolina...
Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:08 pm to CocknDawg
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Great post, Rooster. But, as far as I am concerned, the biggest mistake we made was not hiring Dick Sheridan and several of his staff when we could have. He wanted to come to Columbia.
Sheridan had some baggage - I've heard different rumors but never actually had them confirmed. I think it had more to do with the DII thing than anything.
But you're right, Giese was a good coach, he just wasn't a great recruiter ... but he was a helluva Xs and Os guy.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:39 pm to winyahpercy
Dick Bestwick definitely got the ball rolling ... and he was very close friends with Paul Dietzel who, even after Dietzel had retired and moved to Boone. Coach would lobby for us and was instrumental in garnering a bunch of votes in our favor including Dickey at Tennessee who was going to vote against us along with Bama and Kentucky.
The real ally in our joining the conference was the AD at Florida at the time, whose name escapes me at the moment, Sloan maybe, who assigned a little known associate AD at the time by the name of Jeremy Foley, to work with the Committee at SC who also had Dietzel lobbying with them, in order to get SC the necessary votes. Foley may have had the contacts at Bama I think, and Dietzel handled Dickey at Tennessee and I forgot who it was at Kentucky.
Jim Carlen got involved too and got Vince Dooley on board full bore. Coach Dooley once told me how strongly Coach Carlen advocated on our behalf and Coach Dooley always said he thought we would be a perfect fit for the SEC.
It was a joint effort.
I never knew Dick Best wick very well - met him a couple of times. Loved Carolina - was a very nice man.
King Dixon power-played him out of office with the help of some friends. But in retrospect and considering the turmoil at the time, it was probably a necessary move. Dixon was connected and was a task master with a Marine Corp mentality. He was very organized and very focused and he commanded utter loyalty and respect.
The SEC expansion committee was impressed with Dixon and he made a lot of promises about facility improvements and other things that we needed done.
But Foley was instrumental and has remained a loyal friend to us, and us to him.
When John Palms and King Dixon decided Mike McGee was going to be the next step ... it was inevitable that we would eventually succeed.
McGee was embroiled in a dispute with an assistant coach he had fired at SoCal, a false discrimination claim that McGee won in court. But McGee was the best AD in the country at the time and Palms and Dixon convinced him to come back closer to home ... and he did.
McGee first set about cleaning-upa lot of the internal issues in the Round House, then he started working on the individual programs.
The real ally in our joining the conference was the AD at Florida at the time, whose name escapes me at the moment, Sloan maybe, who assigned a little known associate AD at the time by the name of Jeremy Foley, to work with the Committee at SC who also had Dietzel lobbying with them, in order to get SC the necessary votes. Foley may have had the contacts at Bama I think, and Dietzel handled Dickey at Tennessee and I forgot who it was at Kentucky.
Jim Carlen got involved too and got Vince Dooley on board full bore. Coach Dooley once told me how strongly Coach Carlen advocated on our behalf and Coach Dooley always said he thought we would be a perfect fit for the SEC.
It was a joint effort.
I never knew Dick Best wick very well - met him a couple of times. Loved Carolina - was a very nice man.
King Dixon power-played him out of office with the help of some friends. But in retrospect and considering the turmoil at the time, it was probably a necessary move. Dixon was connected and was a task master with a Marine Corp mentality. He was very organized and very focused and he commanded utter loyalty and respect.
The SEC expansion committee was impressed with Dixon and he made a lot of promises about facility improvements and other things that we needed done.
But Foley was instrumental and has remained a loyal friend to us, and us to him.
When John Palms and King Dixon decided Mike McGee was going to be the next step ... it was inevitable that we would eventually succeed.
McGee was embroiled in a dispute with an assistant coach he had fired at SoCal, a false discrimination claim that McGee won in court. But McGee was the best AD in the country at the time and Palms and Dixon convinced him to come back closer to home ... and he did.
McGee first set about cleaning-upa lot of the internal issues in the Round House, then he started working on the individual programs.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 5:47 am to scrooster
Very good trip down memory lane. I am 50 and my strong memories of these days start around the 1977 season when Charlie Pell took over at Clemson.
The times we so very different back then. The "Big Boys" like Alabama could buy out everyone by having 150 man rosters. The State or South Carolina was poor but had strong fan bases because that is all we had was our schools to support. The Textile Industry was huge but outsourcing was starting to lay the state to waste.
I have always been impressed with the fan support that Carolina has. I remember vividly how very bad many of those teams were and Willie B was still packed knowing they had no chance of winning. The fan base is the main reason Carolina has prospered.
My biggest regret and concern is we are not in the same conference. With the way college football has changed, there is a real possibility that one day one of the schools will decide to drop the rivalry...especially if they go to a 9 game conference schedule...Don't say it will never happen because Texas-Am went away, Nebraska-Oklahoma went away, Pitt-Penn State went away...I do think the State Legislature would get involved but this new playoff era will be interesting
The times we so very different back then. The "Big Boys" like Alabama could buy out everyone by having 150 man rosters. The State or South Carolina was poor but had strong fan bases because that is all we had was our schools to support. The Textile Industry was huge but outsourcing was starting to lay the state to waste.
I have always been impressed with the fan support that Carolina has. I remember vividly how very bad many of those teams were and Willie B was still packed knowing they had no chance of winning. The fan base is the main reason Carolina has prospered.
My biggest regret and concern is we are not in the same conference. With the way college football has changed, there is a real possibility that one day one of the schools will decide to drop the rivalry...especially if they go to a 9 game conference schedule...Don't say it will never happen because Texas-Am went away, Nebraska-Oklahoma went away, Pitt-Penn State went away...I do think the State Legislature would get involved but this new playoff era will be interesting
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:26 am to CU_Tigers4life
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My biggest regret and concern is we are not in the same conference. With the way college football has changed, there is a real possibility that one day one of the schools will decide to drop the rivalry...especially if they go to a 9 game conference schedule...Don't say it will never happen because Texas-Am went away, Nebraska-Oklahoma went away, Pitt-Penn State went away...I do think the State Legislature would get involved but this new playoff era will be interesting
I don't believe it will happen. Carolinians hold onto tradition and the circumstances were different for the other rivalries you mentioned, than would be for ours.
aTm and UT stopped playing b/c UT are some greedy assholes and aTm left the conference. The same for OU and Nebraska, but UT was to blame for that one as well. The same goes for Penn St and Pitt and their new conference alignments.
clemson and SC won't have new conference alignments, they might possibly go to 9 game conference schedules, but that won't happen for at least 10 years.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:45 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Very good trip down memory lane. I am 50 and my strong memories of these days start around the 1977 season when Charlie Pell took over at Clemson.
The times we so very different back then. The "Big Boys" like Alabama could buy out everyone by having 150 man rosters. The State or South Carolina was poor but had strong fan bases because that is all we had was our schools to support. The Textile Industry was huge but outsourcing was starting to lay the state to waste.
I have always been impressed with the fan support that Carolina has. I remember vividly how very bad many of those teams were and Willie B was still packed knowing they had no chance of winning. The fan base is the main reason Carolina has prospered.
My biggest regret and concern is we are not in the same conference. With the way college football has changed, there is a real possibility that one day one of the schools will decide to drop the rivalry...especially if they go to a 9 game conference schedule...Don't say it will never happen because Texas-Am went away, Nebraska-Oklahoma went away, Pitt-Penn State went away...I do think the State Legislature would get involved but this new playoff era will be interesting
Rosters were only 105 in '77, with up to ten walkons allowed.
The late seventies started the arms race between Carolina and Clemson with Clemson winning back then ... thanks mostly to Bill Amick, who I knew very very well. Still friends with his son David, he made a rifle for me a couple of years ago as a matter of fact.
Both programs have legendary fan support, but I think Carolina's is probably perceived as a bit more loyal in the face of what we endured.
Bowden hiring Scott fired new shots in the rivalry and, in truth, so infuriated SCAR big shots that it caused, for the first time in our history, us to get angry and really dedicate ourselves to out-doing Clemson on every front. Mike McGee was so infuriated the night Brad Scott was carried off our field that he became obsessed with it as a matter of fact. He loathed Brad Scott ... for a lot of very legitimate reasons. I'll be glad to list a few of them if you want.
We'll never been in the same conference. SCAR will never leave the SEC and between SCAR, Florida, Tennessee and Georgia there is enough voting power to always keep Clemson out.
Clemson had their chance - they could have left the ACC with us in '72, but they backed-out at the last minute. Tom Price's book does the best job of explaining how all that went down. Tom always said it would cost Clemson big one day, and it probably still will ... if it's not already. It's a touchy subject among most Clemson fans I know ... at least those willing to admit it. They pine to be in the SEC. It's always right in front of them yet so out of reach.
The rivalry can never be discontinued. The ACC tried to make that happen in '72 and an act of State Congress prevented it from happening ... although I don't think Clemson was ever that keen on the idea in the first place from what I understood. Bill loved the rivalry and he never hated SCAR - he thought the game was good for the state of SC, and it is.
I went to Bill's funeral ... the biggest taterhead I'll ever know, but he was an extremely good man and he is missed.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 12:02 pm to CU_Tigers4life
I honestly don't think the rivalry will stop because the teams and fan bases just love to hate each other so much.
Let's say Clemson wanted to cancel after 2014 but SC won the game.. I have a hard time believing Clemson fans being okay with the idea that we can hang "6 in a row" over their heads for the indefinite future. Same can be said for Gamecock fans.
With that said the student bodies have almost gotten in a full on battle skirmish before that canceled it for a bit so who knows.
Outside of the South upper deck did they keep any of those improvement promises? Didn't our abysmal facility infrastructure contribute to the endless beat downs in the '90s?
Let's say Clemson wanted to cancel after 2014 but SC won the game.. I have a hard time believing Clemson fans being okay with the idea that we can hang "6 in a row" over their heads for the indefinite future. Same can be said for Gamecock fans.
With that said the student bodies have almost gotten in a full on battle skirmish before that canceled it for a bit so who knows.
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The SEC expansion committee was impressed with Dixon and he made a lot of promises about facility improvements and other things that we needed done.
Outside of the South upper deck did they keep any of those improvement promises? Didn't our abysmal facility infrastructure contribute to the endless beat downs in the '90s?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 12:14 pm to scrooster
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He loathed Brad Scott ... for a lot of very legitimate reasons. I'll be glad to list a few of them if you want.
In.
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