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Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:14 pm
What is yall's 2 deep looking like ? My friend seemed concerned about your team in the trenches on offense.. He has always complained about Mullen and Hevesy's Oline recruiting... He said Damien Robinson is going to be the starter at RT and that worried him... How's Jocquell Johnson looking ? Is Archie Muniz still on the team ? TIA
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 6:08 pm to reggierayreb
Robinson is being given every chance early in camp, but it really looks like it's going to be Senior at this point IMO. We're fine as long as we don't have injuries -- and potentially fine with one or two injuries depending...
LT - Clausell, Carter(who is also battling to start at RT
LG - Clayborn, Beckwith
C - Day, ??
RG - Malone, Beckwith
RT - Senior and Robinson battling with Rufus Warren on the outside looking in...
OLs always get beat early in camp. Especially when the QBs aren't live. And when you don't play your 1's together. I think we're going to be fine at OL if Mullen doesn't go full retard(I have ZERO confidence in Robinson ever being the guy -- I'd rather go with Jake Thomas who is 4th-5th right now at OT)...
I went through some numbers on this for M&WN a couple weeks ago... LINK /
LT - Clausell, Carter(who is also battling to start at RT
LG - Clayborn, Beckwith
C - Day, ??
RG - Malone, Beckwith
RT - Senior and Robinson battling with Rufus Warren on the outside looking in...
OLs always get beat early in camp. Especially when the QBs aren't live. And when you don't play your 1's together. I think we're going to be fine at OL if Mullen doesn't go full retard(I have ZERO confidence in Robinson ever being the guy -- I'd rather go with Jake Thomas who is 4th-5th right now at OT)...
I went through some numbers on this for M&WN a couple weeks ago... LINK /
Posted on 8/11/14 at 6:29 pm to engie
Thanks engie
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That's cause for concern.
How has Damien Robinson been such a bust ?!? Kid looked to have all the tools to be an All SEC type player someday coming out of high school.
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LG - Clayborn, Beckwith
C - Day, ??
RG - Malone, Beckwith
That's cause for concern.
How has Damien Robinson been such a bust ?!? Kid looked to have all the tools to be an All SEC type player someday coming out of high school.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 8:56 pm to reggierayreb
How is that a cause for concern?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:21 pm to DynastyDawg
Day is an incredible center but Ben Beckwith backing up both Guard spots ? If he goes down then you immediately have a 3rd string type guy in the rotation at Guard.
say your starting 5 from L to R is
Clausell:Malone or Clayborn:Day:Beckwith:Robinson
You'll graduate 4 out of 5 starters heading into Spring football.
say your starting 5 from L to R is
Clausell:Malone or Clayborn:Day:Beckwith:Robinson
You'll graduate 4 out of 5 starters heading into Spring football.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:33 pm to reggierayreb
As has been hit on already, we're in a pretty similar situation as y'all. Solid starting unit but iffy depth. We don't have a Tunsil, but I still feel like our starting guys will be more than serviceable with Dak under center.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:43 pm to reggierayreb
There's a difference between posting a "true 2-deep" and posting "who will play if something happens to someone." I gave you what I project as the latter -- not the actual second rotation.
Beckwith is a swing guard that has started 12 games for us -- more than Jamerson Love or Taveze Calhoun. I don't see the problem with him in a backup role or even as a starter for that matter? As of today, he's a backup.
We will graduate 2 of our 5 likely starting OL. That's Day and Clausell. Malone, Senior, and Clayborn will be back. And Cole Carter and Kent Flowers are going to play key backup roles this year. Plus, the FR Deion Calhoun is pushing for PT as a trFR as C -- which would be great in giving us heir apparents to every position on the OL before considering it's a good chance we get Danley as well and Johnson may redshirt, while Malone is technically eligible for a 6th yr if he decides he wants it...
The true 2-deep right now is something like:
LT - Clausell, Carter
LG - Clayborn, Flowers
C - Day, Muniz
RG - Malone, Beckwith
RT - Senior, Robinson
But Muniz will never see meaningful snaps at C IMO
Yes, we will graduate 5 in the 2-deep -- and are going to address it with at least one JUCO... The fact that we're only really chasing Danley and somewhat chasing Rankin instead of really going after a bunch of OL in those ranks tells me we must feel pretty good about some of the young guys
Beckwith is a swing guard that has started 12 games for us -- more than Jamerson Love or Taveze Calhoun. I don't see the problem with him in a backup role or even as a starter for that matter? As of today, he's a backup.
We will graduate 2 of our 5 likely starting OL. That's Day and Clausell. Malone, Senior, and Clayborn will be back. And Cole Carter and Kent Flowers are going to play key backup roles this year. Plus, the FR Deion Calhoun is pushing for PT as a trFR as C -- which would be great in giving us heir apparents to every position on the OL before considering it's a good chance we get Danley as well and Johnson may redshirt, while Malone is technically eligible for a 6th yr if he decides he wants it...
The true 2-deep right now is something like:
LT - Clausell, Carter
LG - Clayborn, Flowers
C - Day, Muniz
RG - Malone, Beckwith
RT - Senior, Robinson
But Muniz will never see meaningful snaps at C IMO
Yes, we will graduate 5 in the 2-deep -- and are going to address it with at least one JUCO... The fact that we're only really chasing Danley and somewhat chasing Rankin instead of really going after a bunch of OL in those ranks tells me we must feel pretty good about some of the young guys
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 7:21 am to engie
Yeah, engie pretty much covered what I was going to say.
We are graduating 4 linemen, but only 2 will really be guys we need to find replacements for.
Beckwith has a lot of experience, but Malone and Clayborne will play the majority of the snaps. Robinson has never lived up to what he should have been.
The only thing I'm really concerned with next year is finding a C to replace Day.
We are graduating 4 linemen, but only 2 will really be guys we need to find replacements for.
Beckwith has a lot of experience, but Malone and Clayborne will play the majority of the snaps. Robinson has never lived up to what he should have been.
The only thing I'm really concerned with next year is finding a C to replace Day.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:00 am to DynastyDawg
I thought Hevesy was grooming the Desper kid to step into that role ? Could be wrong about that.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 9:00 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:10 am to reggierayreb
Desper has been the slowest to develop from the 2012 and 2013 OL classes to this point and has had trouble with snaps out of the shotgun. He's a guard right now, and he probably needs to show flashes this year or else he'll likely be in the Muniz/Robinson role for his whole career...
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:37 am to engie
Honestly I hadn't heard much about Desper, other than he had moved back to Guard, but Paul just talked about it this morning in his biscuits.
Apparently Desper is battling for the #2 G spot with Jake Thomas.
So the updated OL 2 deep should go like this:
LT - Clausell, Carter
LG - Clayborne / Beckwith, Flowers
C - Day, Muniz
RG - Malone, Thomas / Desper
RT - Senior / Robinson, Warren
/ - Battles
, - Backup
Jocquell Johnson could be a wildcard, but after Redshirting this year and being moved to G, I think he'll end up getting buried behind some pretty good younger guys at that position.
Apparently Desper is battling for the #2 G spot with Jake Thomas.
So the updated OL 2 deep should go like this:
LT - Clausell, Carter
LG - Clayborne / Beckwith, Flowers
C - Day, Muniz
RG - Malone, Thomas / Desper
RT - Senior / Robinson, Warren
/ - Battles
, - Backup
Jocquell Johnson could be a wildcard, but after Redshirting this year and being moved to G, I think he'll end up getting buried behind some pretty good younger guys at that position.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 9:46 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:42 am to DynastyDawg
Next year what I would like to see would go more like this:
LT - Senior / Carter
LG - Danley / Flowers
C - Clayborne / Desper (Maybe he gets the snapping together?)
RG - Malone / Thomas
RT - Carter / Thomas / Warren
Thomas said he feels more comfortable at G, but the coaches have told him to be open to learning both and switching back after this year.
LT - Senior / Carter
LG - Danley / Flowers
C - Clayborne / Desper (Maybe he gets the snapping together?)
RG - Malone / Thomas
RT - Carter / Thomas / Warren
Thomas said he feels more comfortable at G, but the coaches have told him to be open to learning both and switching back after this year.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 9:43 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:44 am to DynastyDawg
Yeah, I saw that...
Anytime a year 3 OL is battling with a year 2 OL, I think the 2nd yr guy wins that battle more times than not. Alot of development happens during that 2nd year IMO once they are strong/big enough to take the next steps...
With the guys we recruit, the ideal cycle has mostly been
yr 1 - get your weight/strength right
yr 2 - develop game and play mop up
yr 3 - be ready to contribute in meaningful snaps in a back up role and maybe start
yr 4 and yr 5 - start
Still pretty crazy that Clayborn was the first non-rs OL we've had since Sherrod. Hevesy is definitely holding us back in recruiting up there, but I can't complain about what he gets out of the guys that actually show up.
Anytime a year 3 OL is battling with a year 2 OL, I think the 2nd yr guy wins that battle more times than not. Alot of development happens during that 2nd year IMO once they are strong/big enough to take the next steps...
With the guys we recruit, the ideal cycle has mostly been
yr 1 - get your weight/strength right
yr 2 - develop game and play mop up
yr 3 - be ready to contribute in meaningful snaps in a back up role and maybe start
yr 4 and yr 5 - start
Still pretty crazy that Clayborn was the first non-rs OL we've had since Sherrod. Hevesy is definitely holding us back in recruiting up there, but I can't complain about what he gets out of the guys that actually show up.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 9:46 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:49 am to engie
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Hevesy is definitely holding us back in recruiting up there, but I can't complain about what he gets out of the guys that actually show up.
This.
He has pretty much sucked at recruiting, but you just can't argue with the results he gets out of guys once on campus. I mean look at what he has built a solid OL out of:
LT: 2* (Baker HS, won like 4 games his HS career)
LG: JA Grad
C: Was supposed to be a GS, ends up starting as RSFr.
RG: MRA 3*
RT: Marion Military right? (Senior)
ETA: How in the world he got this much out of Beckwith blows my God damn mind.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 9:53 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:49 am to engie
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Hevesy is definitely holding us back in recruiting up there, but I can't complain about what he gets out of the guys that actually show up.
No use in complaining, he's here to stay as long as Mullen is HC.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:51 am to Hardy_Har
At least it hasn't turned out to be a Croom / McCorvey situation yet.
Hevesy tends to get results, albeit as frustrating as he is, McCorvey just sucked arse.
Hevesy tends to get results, albeit as frustrating as he is, McCorvey just sucked arse.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:54 am to DynastyDawg
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Hevesy tends to get results,
I agree with you there.
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McCorvey
curse word^^^
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:14 am to Hardy_Har
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No use in complaining, he's here to stay as long as Mullen is HC.
Agreed...unless he gets a head guy job somewhere, which I can't imagine him interviewing very well.
One thing worth noting is one of the first things on the table with autonomy is actually separating the coaching and recruiting jobs and allowing them to be done by 2 different people. That actually passed the NCAA along with the stipend last year before getting shot down in appeals and ultimately leading to the recent autonomy vote.
We've already virtually taken Hevesy off the trail. He's got 1 kid in MS -- Martrinas Rankin. We actually hired Pork Chop last year to fill that role in Hevesy's spot before the appeal killed it. Bottom line is that kids have to meet him at some point though -- and it takes all of 30 seconds talking to he and Matt Luke to see why they are cleaning our clocks in recruiting at the position.
We've upgraded everywhere else. Hev and Sallach are kinda the last complaints I have on the staff and Hev is strictly a star power recruiting complaint. Sallach is apparently a decent recruiter and TEs have been pretty good under him, but we should have hired John Baxter yesterday both as a recruiter and true special teams coach...
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 10:16 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:29 am to reggierayreb
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How has Damien Robinson been such a bust ?!? Kid looked to have all the tools to be an All SEC type player someday coming out of high school.
He's been hurt since his SR year in HS. Said he is finally back to 100% now.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 12:06 pm to jumbo
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He's been hurt since his SR year in HS. Said he is finally back to 100% now.
How in the hell do you stay hurt for 5 years? I don't completely buy that and that's questioning your post jumbo. All the premium sites are hyping Robinson right now. If he starts, my liver will hate me
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