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Is This Board's Impression of Spurrier Too High?
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:47 am
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:47 am
In several threads, members have noted that Spurrier would have at least as much success at Alabama as he's had at South Carolina.
Recall that South Carolina suffered the most lopsided loss in SEC Championship to Auburn, a team that won the Iron Bowl 28-27 the previous week.
Recall that Spurrier's teams have conceded the East to a team they've defeated 3 straight seasons. 2011 Auburn and 2013 Tennessee finished unranked. 2011 Auburn paled in comparison to 2010; LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, and Alabama destroyed that team because Auburn was in serious rebuilding mode. OTOH, South Carolina got upset at home.
Perspectives Regarding SCAR
That's a thread I made a few weeks ago to gather some perspectives regarding Spurrier's accomplishments. Read it if you'd like or don't recall.
If Spurrier is good enough to outdo what Saban has done in a much more competitive SEC, why didn't Spurrier win multiple national titles or have an undefeated season while at Florida? Florida ran the conference in the 90s, and all they have to show for it are SEC Championships.
Nationally? They became 1995 Nebraska's most dominant victory and won a mulligan versus a team that'd beaten them the last week of the regular season. Yes, 2011 Alabama got a mulligan too; that would still leave Saban with 3 more national titles than Spurrier.
At South Carolina, Spurrier hasn't been able to defeat Auburn or LSU. South Carolina loses 2 games a year in the East. If they were in the West, you could pencil in Auburn and LSU as losses most years. South Carolina would still have to deal with Alabama and 3 other SEC West teams along with 2 cross division opponents.
Tennessee is down, and Bobby Petrino hasn't been at Arkansas to make South Carolina his perennial bitch the past two seasons. What's holding South Carolina back? These past 2 seasons were South Carolina's time to make a difference and get some hardware, and they "beat themselves".
Could we all cool it with the Spurrier hype until he's at least posted a better season than Muschamp and Chizik posted at their SEC stops?
Recall that South Carolina suffered the most lopsided loss in SEC Championship to Auburn, a team that won the Iron Bowl 28-27 the previous week.
Recall that Spurrier's teams have conceded the East to a team they've defeated 3 straight seasons. 2011 Auburn and 2013 Tennessee finished unranked. 2011 Auburn paled in comparison to 2010; LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, and Alabama destroyed that team because Auburn was in serious rebuilding mode. OTOH, South Carolina got upset at home.
Perspectives Regarding SCAR
That's a thread I made a few weeks ago to gather some perspectives regarding Spurrier's accomplishments. Read it if you'd like or don't recall.
If Spurrier is good enough to outdo what Saban has done in a much more competitive SEC, why didn't Spurrier win multiple national titles or have an undefeated season while at Florida? Florida ran the conference in the 90s, and all they have to show for it are SEC Championships.
Nationally? They became 1995 Nebraska's most dominant victory and won a mulligan versus a team that'd beaten them the last week of the regular season. Yes, 2011 Alabama got a mulligan too; that would still leave Saban with 3 more national titles than Spurrier.
At South Carolina, Spurrier hasn't been able to defeat Auburn or LSU. South Carolina loses 2 games a year in the East. If they were in the West, you could pencil in Auburn and LSU as losses most years. South Carolina would still have to deal with Alabama and 3 other SEC West teams along with 2 cross division opponents.
Tennessee is down, and Bobby Petrino hasn't been at Arkansas to make South Carolina his perennial bitch the past two seasons. What's holding South Carolina back? These past 2 seasons were South Carolina's time to make a difference and get some hardware, and they "beat themselves".
Could we all cool it with the Spurrier hype until he's at least posted a better season than Muschamp and Chizik posted at their SEC stops?
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:48 am to Cumulonimbus
His whole career has been turning around awful (at the time) programs. If you don't think he could have won at Alabama you are just being silly.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:49 am to Cumulonimbus
That Record vs. Ranked Opponents thread has really bothered you, hasn't it?
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:49 am to Cumulonimbus
Someone's mad that Spurrier is still the man.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:49 am to Cumulonimbus
No
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:50 am to Cumulonimbus
Spurrier let a 20 year old diva player run all over him and put him above the team. He lost the respect of a lot of people after that debacle.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:52 am to Cumulonimbus
He's the best coach ever at 3 different schools. He deserves the praise.
And he's smarter and funnier than you are.
And he's smarter and funnier than you are.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:53 am to Cumulonimbus
Has not beaten LSU or Auburn but had no problem torching Alabama
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:55 am to GetCocky11
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That Record vs. Ranked Opponents thread has really bothered you, hasn't it?
^ This
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:56 am to Cumulonimbus
Dude, Spurrier has accomplished a ton. He's done it at two historically laughable programs (Duke and South Carolina) and one sleeping giant (Florida).
I love having Saban at Alabama, but to be fair he took two historically powerful programs and turned them around (LSU and Alabama); he simply had less distance to travel to bring both teams to national prominence.
The simple fact is that Spurrier, after coming back to college football, has taken a team that most people marked down as an easy win and brought them up to a regular member of the top 10. There was a time when playing South Carolina meant you marked it off as a 40-50 point win and started looking at the next game, and now they can quite easily beat the crap out of you. That's remarkable - few coaches can truly say that.
I love having Saban at Alabama, but to be fair he took two historically powerful programs and turned them around (LSU and Alabama); he simply had less distance to travel to bring both teams to national prominence.
The simple fact is that Spurrier, after coming back to college football, has taken a team that most people marked down as an easy win and brought them up to a regular member of the top 10. There was a time when playing South Carolina meant you marked it off as a 40-50 point win and started looking at the next game, and now they can quite easily beat the crap out of you. That's remarkable - few coaches can truly say that.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:06 am to skrayper
I'll play devils advocate and go with OP in terms of the dumpster fire he put out
He's succeeded in what has undeniably been a down East with UT and Florida below average these last few years
Looking at his big time victories, he beat that 9-3 Alabama team. Other than that he's failed more times than not when going up against teams from e west
And I get USC has a laughable history, but they're not fricking UAB. They have the tools suceed with outstanding fan support and rich talent base. And they've added great facilities these past few years they have helped propel them even further in the recruiting
He's succeeded in what has undeniably been a down East with UT and Florida below average these last few years
Looking at his big time victories, he beat that 9-3 Alabama team. Other than that he's failed more times than not when going up against teams from e west
And I get USC has a laughable history, but they're not fricking UAB. They have the tools suceed with outstanding fan support and rich talent base. And they've added great facilities these past few years they have helped propel them even further in the recruiting
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:13 am to Dr_Tim_Whatley
For a long time SC was UAB facilities wise
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:18 am to Cumulonimbus
I'd say no.
What he accomplished at Florida is well documented.
But just look at the success he has had in Columbia. He has turned that program into a perennial Top 10 team.
To think, after Bill Arnsparger left, Spurrier interviewed for the LSU job, but the Board of Supervisors opted for Arnsparger's suggestion - Mike Archer.
In retrospect, Spurrier no doubt would have eventually left for his alma mater anyway....
What he accomplished at Florida is well documented.
But just look at the success he has had in Columbia. He has turned that program into a perennial Top 10 team.
To think, after Bill Arnsparger left, Spurrier interviewed for the LSU job, but the Board of Supervisors opted for Arnsparger's suggestion - Mike Archer.
In retrospect, Spurrier no doubt would have eventually left for his alma mater anyway....
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:31 am to Cumulonimbus
Spurrier's record against Saban:
3-1
3-1
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:42 am to Cumulonimbus
Saban's gooder paaawwwlll!!!
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:44 am to Cumulonimbus
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Florida ran the conference in the 90s, and all they have to show for it are SEC Championships.
No coach in recent history has more SEC titles. And just having SEC titles to show for it--you say it as if it is a bad thing.
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:46 am to Cumulonimbus
Is this board's impression of Saban too high? I mean he did win those titles but he also gave up the most yards in Alabama history to a cocky pockmarked kid and compared losing to atrocities in human history.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:52 am to spslayto
Spurrier is the freakin man. Dude is SEC royalty. Dumb thread. Spurrier turned SC around when the SEC was at its best. Spurrier didn't rebuild SC. He built it.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:53 am to Cumulonimbus
Spurrier has successfully trolled the tide nation much like he used to do with UT and FSU.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:54 am to WDE24
It will be a sad day for the conference when Spurrier retires.
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