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More Violence in the South: Explains Our Intense Fandom?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:52 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:52 am
Steven Pinker Briefly Describes Violence in the South Due to Honor starts at the 7:13 mark.
Why are SEC fans the most rabid of all college football fans?
Pinker says that the violence in the American South, which has persisted since colonial times, is not a predatory violence.
There's a culture of honor in the South like no where else in the US.
In the South, violence is in response to threats of honor in the form of curses, insults, and that "men must defend their honor with the use of violence"
SEC support is intertwined with our sense of honor in the South, we certainly chant a unified "SEC! SEC!" like no other conference.
After all, SEC TV market and merchandise market is extremely profitable, a sign of our support and defense of southern culture, not just fandom.
Our intensity on the field and in our fandom is a result of us defending our honor with controlled violence.
The intensity and the success of message boards such as SECRANT can easily be explained by this sense of honor, too.
The culture in the South isn't changing anytime soon, and neither will SEC dominance as a result of its support and connection to our traditions, our history, and our sense of honor.
"American by birth. Southern by choice"
August 30th cannot come fast enough.
Why are SEC fans the most rabid of all college football fans?
Pinker says that the violence in the American South, which has persisted since colonial times, is not a predatory violence.
There's a culture of honor in the South like no where else in the US.
In the South, violence is in response to threats of honor in the form of curses, insults, and that "men must defend their honor with the use of violence"
SEC support is intertwined with our sense of honor in the South, we certainly chant a unified "SEC! SEC!" like no other conference.
After all, SEC TV market and merchandise market is extremely profitable, a sign of our support and defense of southern culture, not just fandom.
Our intensity on the field and in our fandom is a result of us defending our honor with controlled violence.
The intensity and the success of message boards such as SECRANT can easily be explained by this sense of honor, too.
The culture in the South isn't changing anytime soon, and neither will SEC dominance as a result of its support and connection to our traditions, our history, and our sense of honor.
"American by birth. Southern by choice"
August 30th cannot come fast enough.
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:55 am to Bulskinator
I would say it's because you have the least educated states in America.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:56 am to TigerCruise
touche yankee, touche 
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:57 am to Bulskinator
You gumps sure are strange.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:57 am to TigerCruise
Have you been to Missouri or are you just a fan?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:02 am to Bulskinator
A weak handshake insults a southerner, not a northerner.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:04 am to Bulskinator
It has much to do with which groups of immigrants settled each region of the country. Much of "the north" was settled by the English and German farmers, where as much of the south was settled by Scotch and Irish, who were traditionally herding cultures. Herders typically have very strict honor codes and clan mentalities. It can be seen throughout the holy land as well. Believe it or not, but Southern Hospitality is actually very similar to guest rights among Arabs from the Bedouin tribesmen to the wealthy sheiks.
In the North, the vast majority of property crimes and murders are committed by unrelated parties, the perpetrator and victem don't know each other, where in the South, murders and property crimes are committed by related parties, the perpetrator and victim know each other and/or are family. Crimes in the North are more often crimes of opportunity (i.e. killed a guy who witnessed a theft because someone needed the money) as apposed to in the South, they are generally more often crimes of passion (guy is killed for cheating on my sister and I stole his TV to pay her back for that time she payed to fix his truck).
The north and south have completely different cultures, traditions, and origins that foster these kinds of behaviors.
In the North, the vast majority of property crimes and murders are committed by unrelated parties, the perpetrator and victem don't know each other, where in the South, murders and property crimes are committed by related parties, the perpetrator and victim know each other and/or are family. Crimes in the North are more often crimes of opportunity (i.e. killed a guy who witnessed a theft because someone needed the money) as apposed to in the South, they are generally more often crimes of passion (guy is killed for cheating on my sister and I stole his TV to pay her back for that time she payed to fix his truck).
The north and south have completely different cultures, traditions, and origins that foster these kinds of behaviors.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:04 am to Bulskinator
Insult a Southerner, and his testosterone and cortisol levels increase...he doesn't tolerate your insult.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:04 am to Bulskinator
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In the South, violence is in response to threats of honor in the form of curses, insults, and that "men must defend their honor with the use of violence"
The inability to laugh off the ridiculous provocations of others is not emblematic of honor; it's a sign of insecurity.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:06 am to EKG
That depends largely on perception of what constitutes an insult.
TAMU fans don't seem to tolerate the perception that they're less masculine. That's why it's regularly used as an insult.
TAMU fans don't seem to tolerate the perception that they're less masculine. That's why it's regularly used as an insult.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:08 am to kingbob
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In the North, the vast majority of property crimes and murders are committed by unrelated parties, the perpetrator and victem don't know each other, where in the South, murders and property crimes are committed by related parties, the perpetrator and victim know each other and/or are family. Crimes in the North are more often crimes of opportunity (i.e. killed a guy who witnessed a theft because someone needed the money) as apposed to in the South, they are generally more often crimes of passion (guy is killed for cheating on my sister and I stole his TV to pay her back for that time she payed to fix his truck).
That's interesting.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:09 am to Bulskinator
That graph is accurate in my opinion.
LSS:
I went to NY with a bias against Yankees. Got into a heated discussion with a cabby while I was trying to get from the airport to the train.
He got a better fare and asked me to get out. I was almost sitting at the time.
I released all my bias with every 4, 5 and 6 letter word I could muster. It had zero affect on him. He just went about his work.
They are different up there and being rude to one another is not really being rude.
Down here, drop all those insults on someone and you now have a heated discussion, if not a fight, on your hands.
I was shocked.
LSS:
I went to NY with a bias against Yankees. Got into a heated discussion with a cabby while I was trying to get from the airport to the train.
He got a better fare and asked me to get out. I was almost sitting at the time.
I released all my bias with every 4, 5 and 6 letter word I could muster. It had zero affect on him. He just went about his work.
They are different up there and being rude to one another is not really being rude.
Down here, drop all those insults on someone and you now have a heated discussion, if not a fight, on your hands.
I was shocked.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:10 am to Bulskinator
Lived in St.Louis and graduated from Mizzou. Difference between the Lou and the southern part of Missouri, where the south starts, arent even comparable.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:10 am to Bulskinator
Your graphs look fake.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:10 am to Bulskinator
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TAMU fans don't seem to tolerate the perception that they're less masculine
You must be joking.
I don't think I've ever seen Ags react with anything other than sardonic amusement to that silly SECr "insult."
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:11 am to EKG
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sardonic
You should have handed the Bama fan a dictionary as you hit submit.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:12 am to Bulskinator
Look at the demographics.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:12 am to TigerCruise
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Missouri
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where the south starts
lol
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:13 am to Bulskinator
Are you using this to justify the psycho shite that some Bama fans do in the name of the program?
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 10:14 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:14 am to roadGator
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sardonic
You should have handed the Bama fan a dictionary as you hit submit.
meh. Pedants will pedant.
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