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Blackjack: When to hit or stay on 16?........

Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:54 pm
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:54 pm



I have my own strategy for what to do when dealt a 16 in all scenarios.

But, if I was interested in fine-tuning a card-counting system (for recreational purposes, of course, because casinos frown on that).....the one variable I can't control is what other people at the table with me will do. So, maybe you can help.

But, please don't google some blackjack strategy before you answer. I'm looking for honest input in order so that I can create a profiling system based on YOUR personalities and your answer to help tilt the odds further in my favor ( repeat: for recreational purposes only. Not to for use later tonight at the casino.) Just speak from the heart on how you'd play it right now.


Scenario #1: Dealer has a King. You have two cards that equal 16. Do you Hit or Stay?

Scenario #2: Dealer has a 5. You have two cards that equal 16. Do you Hit or Stay?

Scenario #3: Dealer has an Ace (but not blackjack). You have two cards that equal 16. Do you Hit or Stay?


Thank you for any input. Which will be used for recreational purposes only. Not to count cards. Which casinos don't like.
Posted by drunkensailor89
Kingsland, GA
Member since Sep 2013
1964 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:13 pm to
1: if he shows a king an you have 16 then A-5 are all that preventing you from busting. He has 7-A to beat you with. In this case I probably play my chances and hit. Odds are roughly even that you either bust or he beats you but hopefully you catch luck and bump your hand a little which shifts odds greatly in your favor.

2: I definitely stay here. He will certainly be taking two cards so you once again play odds that he will hit high twice in a row.

3. Stay. Hope he hits less than a 17 and has to keep rolling cards till he busts
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63860 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:36 pm to
Hit
Stay
Stay
Posted by NytroBud
LaFayette
Member since Jun 2009
4044 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:54 pm to
Hit
stay
hit
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:56 pm to
stay
hit
hit
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19
Member since Sep 2012
23974 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:05 pm to
quote:

Scenario #1: Dealer has a King. You have two cards that equal 16. Do you Hit or Stay?

Scenario #2: Dealer has a 5. You have two cards that equal 16. Do you Hit or Stay?

Scenario #3: Dealer has an Ace (but not blackjack). You have two cards that equal 16. Do you Hit or Stay?



never gambled for real so TIFWIW...I also have no clue how to count cards so i'm answering this qwuestion with all things being equal

1- hit

2- hold

3- hit or hold depending on gut.
Posted by Litigator
Hog Jaw, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2013
7535 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:30 pm to
I am assuming the casino is not offering surrender or insurance and is playing with multiple decks. That being said generally here's how I would play your scenarios. I usually do not surrender even when it is offered and the odds say to do so and have a couple of blackjack apps I use a lot experimenting with different plays and strategies.

#1. When the dealer shows 10 you are going to hit any 16 except where you have a pair of 8's in which case you will split them.

#2. When the dealer shows 5 you are going to stand on 16 unless you have a soft 16 (ace and 5) in which case you will double down.

#3. When the dealer shows an ace the same rules apply as in #1. The only distinction would be if the casino offered insurance but that's not part of our equation here.

FWIW I know of no casinos objecting to a player using an odds or strategy card as opposed to actual card counting.



I have different blackjack books I've accumulated over time but Million Dollar Blackjack (which incidentally does have several card counting strategies) is my favorite partially because of the different playing strategies it discusses and partially because of the entertaining stories it contains. LINK
Posted by AmericusDawg
Member since Oct 2012
8577 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:33 pm to
Hit
Stay
Most likely Hit

Good luck
Posted by NytroBud
LaFayette
Member since Jun 2009
4044 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:34 pm to
I may need to purchase that book
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

never gambled for real so TIFWIW

Doesn't matter. "Gut" blackjack players are easy to spot, but this has nothing to do with choosing the "right" answer.......

Excellent intel so far everyone.. I thank you....
Posted by Litigator
Hog Jaw, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2013
7535 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:41 pm to
It's a really good read and although the author is now dead and it is somewhat dated the basic strategies it contains are still good. It is one of the more entertaining books on the subject because the author became very successful playing blackjack and was banned from different casinos.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:53 pm to


Great! Now people can read your robot guide instead of participating in the intended Purpose of the thread


Thanks a lot Counselor....... Jfc......
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:55 pm to
quote:

please don't google some blackjack strategy before you answer


This can still work hopefully. Responses are appreciated.
Posted by Litigator
Hog Jaw, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2013
7535 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:20 pm to
Just a sample card on odds for people not familiar with them or who have not heard about them and there are different cards with different strategies. It is hard to imagine anyone playing blackjack without some working knowledge and understanding of the odds even if they want to ignore them. On the "edges" so to speak you can play it either way. Gut, premonitions, etc., can come in play. Some form of card counting can as well if you are into that. The odds can't change--they are what they are and that is why the casinos allow the cards for those who want to use them--but they are a reference point for deciding how you want to play a hand. Each player has to develop their own strategy as far as the execution is concerned.

Like I said earlier, I usually don't surrender when it is offered even when the rules say I should do so because that's not part of my own strategy--in that case I'd rather take the risk. That's going to apply to other hands as well--I do not strictly go by a reference card; just a tool in deciding how to play a hand and I don't use them much anymore as I can play from memory.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:34 pm to
quote:

please don't google some blackjack strategy before you answer

Litigator,

If I request that people simply answer the question off the top of their heads (for the purposes stated clearly in the OP)..... instead of consulting some blackjack chart..........what makes you think it appropriate to clumsily run and go get some blackjack chart for people to consult????


This is Unbelievable.
Posted by JacketFan77
Tiger, GA
Member since Nov 2012
2554 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:39 pm to
Hit
Stay
Stay

Though, I have to say, that second scenario could change based on what other players are showing.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:47 pm to
But, then again...........Maybe some busybody will sit down at the table with an odds sheet and start telling everyone how to play according to it.. This could easily happen.

And so II feel stupid for not recognizing this contribution to the thread now. Sorry Litigator.


Anyway: Time to put this shite to the test. Going in..........
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63860 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:31 pm to
Right now Jeff is losing his arse and blaming it on the god damn yankees.
Posted by Litigator
Hog Jaw, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2013
7535 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:35 pm to
That's why you have to play several hands--even it out. The night is young.

Sounds like this guy had a good strategy--over a period of months. LINK
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 11:39 pm
Posted by cantseefade1
Barzoom, Mars
Member since Mar 2013
638 posts
Posted on 7/26/14 at 5:37 am to
Doo doop do Doo.. On the first ring Litigator slid his avatar on his I-Phone 5s closed. He was ready to face the day. He arose as his wife merely groaned and rolled over. Good, now he could begin preparing the pancakes for his two beautiful children, Belle and Johnny. He had a special surprise for the wife as well, she was unaware of the gallon bag of fresh blueberries he had been gifted from a client the day before. He went to the kitchen to lay the batter out and to prepare the cereal bowls for the elders when he noticed a flash of light out of the window. A frown creased his ever-smiling lips. What could this be he wondered? Maybe it's.... ALL TURNED BLACK FROM THE NUCLEAR EXPLOSION BROUGHT UPON BY MAN'S EGO.

Moral: Hit, Hit, Hit. Life is too short.
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