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SEC Expansion: How it happened in 1990

Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:49 pm
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:49 pm
Good read for those of you who are interested...

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On May 31, 1990, the SEC presidents voted to authorize expansion, identifying six schools as potential members: Texas, Texas A&M, Florida State, Miami, South Carolina and Arkansas. Ole Miss President Gerald Turner headed the conference’s expansion committee. He told the Washington Post that the CFA’s inevitable decline meant the SEC would negotiate its own television contracts in the future and that the “first step in that direction is minimizing the force of competing conferences in our geographic area.” In other words, the SEC wanted to keep the Atlantic Coast Conference and a potential Big East football conference out of the State of Florida.


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Yet the time was ripe to strike the SWC, which then consisted of seven Texas schools and Arkansas. The SWC’s small footprint meant it wasn’t a terribly lucrative conference. Arkansas Athletic Director Frank Broyles said his school would make $1 million more a year by switching to the SEC...Arkansas was also eager to swap the low-level competition in the SWC — e.g., Rice and Baylor — for stronger SEC foes like Georgia and Tennessee. When the SEC formally approached Arkansas, there was no hesitation: On August 1, 1990, the school’s trustees unanimously voted to join the SEC, effectively the following July.


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The magic 12th school would not come from the State of Texas. Although Texas and Texas A&M were on the SEC’s original expansion wish list, politics made either a non-starter.


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That left Florida State, Miami and South Carolina vying for the second invitation. Florida State was clearly the SEC’s first choice. The major roadblock was scheduling. On August 3, Bobby Bowden admitted to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “I like to win games, and I can’t think of a tougher place to do that than the SEC.” Under the proposed division alignment, Florida State would face Florida, Auburn and Alabama every year, which raised objections from FSU Athletic Director Bob Goin. “Most conferences have got two really strong programs,” Bowden continued, “but top to bottom there isn’t one close to the SEC.”


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Four days after spurning Florida State, Kramer met with Miami, one of the two remaining expansion candidates. South Carolina’s trustees had preemptively voted to accept an SEC invitation should one come. Miami was decidedly less enthused. Unlike the mostly public universities in the SEC, Miami was a private school that drew its student body in large numbers from the same geographic area as the Big East. Miami officials were also more interested in using Big East membership to improve its fledgling basketball program.



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South Carolina was the last school standing. Kramer met with officials in Columbia on September 20, and on September 25, the Gamecocks received their official invitation.


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This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 4:56 pm
Posted by Mizzou to my Lou
Miami
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:52 pm to
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South Carolina was the last school standing


Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25846 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:53 pm to
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South Carolina was the last school standing. Kramer met with officials in Columbia on September 20, and on September 25, the Gamecocks received their official invitation.




That God for it. We scuttled a lot of momentum we had in football and basketball we had in our last years in the ACC. Just weren't a big enough program to stand alone as independent. We tried for decades and it really hurt us. If it weren't for the SEC invite we'd probably ended back up in the ACC by now. We weren't even ready for the SEC program wise and it showed, our football team got hammered early and often.

We have an older guy who does some of our radio morning shows and he'll sometimes say something like the worst thing SC has ever done was leave the ACC, but the best thing it has ever done was join the SEC.

eta: Does a Mizzou fan really think Mizzou was the SEC's 1st choice in it's 2nd expansion?
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 4:55 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:53 pm to
Basically USC and Mizzou owe A&M their SEC lives. If we take that 1990 offer neither gets in and the SEC is a 12 team league.

Which is cool, I like both fanbases.
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
66976 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:54 pm to
Why did they take Arky? Any way we can still rescind that invitation? They're pretty much useless. I kicking them and Mizzou out while shifting Tennessee, Vandy or Kentucky to the West.
Posted by bgator85
Sarasota
Member since Aug 2007
6020 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:56 pm to
I'm glad it was South Carolina over Miami.
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7511 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:57 pm to
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Yet the time was ripe to strike the SWC, which then consisted of seven Texas schools and Arkansas.


Lol if there was any doubt why we wanted to get out of that
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68422 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:58 pm to
We would have inevitably expanded and had y'all come back in 1990, I guarantee Texas would be one of the latest expansion teams. Then we probably get Oklahoma or Florida State.
Posted by Mizzou to my Lou
Miami
Member since Sep 2013
1767 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:58 pm to
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Does a Mizzou fan really think Mizzou was the SEC's 1st choice in it's 2nd expansion?


Not just me. Commish Slive shares the same sentiment.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68422 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:59 pm to
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I'm glad it was South Carolina over Miami.


Same here. Miami has the worst fanbase in the country.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68422 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:59 pm to
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Not just me. Commish Slive shares the same sentiment.

Yeah, we totally didn't contact Florida State or Clemson before y'all.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37295 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:01 pm to
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I kicking them


that not very nice, kingbob, you kicking them like that and all you not nice kicking them you kicking.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:01 pm to
Probably didn't. The last expansion was all about new TV footprints.
Posted by hogminer
Bella Vista, AR.
Member since Apr 2010
9621 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:02 pm to
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Why did they take Arky?


We were dominating the SWC in football, basketball and baseball at the time and nobody in the country was even close to our T&F teams. The fact that you're mad is reason enough.
Posted by dlc83
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
1829 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:03 pm to
I was a kid at the time (dad a USC grad), but USC really had it going in the early 1970's (last years in the ACC). Under McGuire, USC was a powerhouse with a promise of future glory. Yet, they threw it all away by leaving the conference. Killed all the momentum and forced USC to spend years in the wilderness.

PSU got the whole expansion movement going. At the time, Joe Pa had an interest in joining the ACC, if we would take other Eastern independents. ACC dropped the ball and the rest is history. He was ahead of his time as, over the next 20 years, the ACC would add eastern teams and form the type of conference he envisioned.
Posted by hogminer
Bella Vista, AR.
Member since Apr 2010
9621 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:03 pm to
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Miami has the worst fanbase in the country.


They are terrible
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19229 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:04 pm to
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I kicking them and Mizzou out while shifting Tennessee, Vandy or Kentucky to the West.




Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:11 pm to
Yeah, the first expansion was about the SECCG. That brought a ton of money to the conference but it's peanuts compared to what we'll now get with the SECN.

Thanks for joining the conference, Arky, USC, A&M and Mizzou. Hopefully, all 14 institutions' athletics programs will be self-sustaining as our new league matures.
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
4113 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:13 pm to
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We would have inevitably expanded and had y'all come back in 1990, I guarantee Texas would be one of the latest expansion teams. Then we probably get Oklahoma or Florida State.


If you're saying that had A&M joined the SEC in 1990, that UTx would be joining now, I disagree. The second expansion was for TV--same as the first, I guess--and it wasn't going to be in a state already w/in the SEC footprint. If A&M had joined in 1990, the SEC might have just decided to stay at 12.
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19189 posts
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:25 pm to
Frick Ann Richards and Bob Bullock.
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