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the biggest problem with the Mizzou defense is
Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:34 pm
a. player talent
b. scheme
c. other(fill in the blank)
d. nothing, our D is fine
since this was a popular topic, it deserved to be delineated from the thread on our new OC.
If you want to say it's a combination of things, feel free to expound on what percentage of each area and how it should be addressed.
For those who say d, well all I can say is you must have missed the SEC CC game in ATL. The D was responsible for too many 3rd and longs being blown in that and the other loss.
For those who choose a, then having guys like Ealy, Sam, Gaines just last year alone plus Sheldon Richardson, Aldon Smith among other notable players in recent history, wasn't enough? I'm curious, what is enough?
b. scheme
c. other(fill in the blank)
d. nothing, our D is fine
since this was a popular topic, it deserved to be delineated from the thread on our new OC.
If you want to say it's a combination of things, feel free to expound on what percentage of each area and how it should be addressed.
For those who say d, well all I can say is you must have missed the SEC CC game in ATL. The D was responsible for too many 3rd and longs being blown in that and the other loss.
For those who choose a, then having guys like Ealy, Sam, Gaines just last year alone plus Sheldon Richardson, Aldon Smith among other notable players in recent history, wasn't enough? I'm curious, what is enough?
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 4:38 pm
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:59 pm to Jagd Tiger
B, pure and simple our DC has been out coached for years.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 5:56 pm to Jagd Tiger
a & b
While we've had some outstanding players, most years our D has holes somewhere. Don't get me wrong, overall, I'm happy with how they develop players and the players we have, which leads me into b. I'd say 75% of the time Steck does a fine job. But on occasions (see Auburn)he doesn't put our players in a position where they can make the plays. Unless my memory is failing me, he came out in the 2nd half against Auburn and in one series changed up the look and we held them. Then he went right back to what he was doing the 1st half that didn't work.
While we've had some outstanding players, most years our D has holes somewhere. Don't get me wrong, overall, I'm happy with how they develop players and the players we have, which leads me into b. I'd say 75% of the time Steck does a fine job. But on occasions (see Auburn)he doesn't put our players in a position where they can make the plays. Unless my memory is failing me, he came out in the 2nd half against Auburn and in one series changed up the look and we held them. Then he went right back to what he was doing the 1st half that didn't work.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:19 pm to reedus23
mostly b some a
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:50 pm to Jagd Tiger
Mostly A.
Mizzou has never had 1st round caliber players in the secondary other then MAYBE Pig Brown.
Mizzou has never had 1st round caliber players in the secondary other then MAYBE Pig Brown.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:36 pm to Tackle74
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B, pure and simple our DC has been out coached for years.
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:38 pm to reedus23
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Unless my memory is failing me, he came out in the 2nd half against Auburn and in one series changed up the look and we held them. Then he went right back to what he was doing the 1st half that didn't work.
This right here is why he's indefensible.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:06 pm to Jagd Tiger
It has to be a combination. We beat teams with better talent than us pretty consistently so coaching can't be that bad... game day coaching and adjustments (or lack thereof) seems to be the biggest issue...but to a certain degree options for adjustment may be somewhat limited due to lack of talent.
Our D has improved so much in the past 5 years that it's tough to really tell where we stand right now. We continue to beat good teams but struggle against elite teams.
Our D has improved so much in the past 5 years that it's tough to really tell where we stand right now. We continue to beat good teams but struggle against elite teams.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:42 pm to Jagd Tiger
Auburn scored a lot last year on most teams (including my own). Not saying that is an excuse, I am not happy about it or will accept it for next year, but it is what it is.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:08 pm to Tackle74
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B, pure and simple our DC has been out coached for years.
This
Posted on 6/14/14 at 12:03 pm to roadhouse
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It has to be a combination. We beat teams with better talent than us pretty consistently so coaching can't be that bad... game day coaching and adjustments (or lack thereof) seems to be the biggest issue...but to a certain degree options for adjustment may be somewhat limited due to lack of talent.
Lack of talent doesn't force you to make boneheaded decisions.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 1:13 pm to TigerBornTigerBred
I see a lot of similarities between Steckel and Yost. Both had bad schemes that didn't work that they just kept going to over and over. How smartdo you have to be to notice something doesn't work. Pinkel loyal to both
Posted on 6/14/14 at 1:17 pm to TigerBornTigerBred
Certainly we haven't had the quality of corners in the past that Gaines and Ponder provide, Gettis was at least serviceable, and power Safetys like WillieMo and Pig have been rare.
It still seems like our secondary alignment is all too easy for opposing coaches to scheme against and has cost us some important games. Maybe having Spoon would have saved the USC game last year, maybe not but it seems evident we needed to do something completely different in the Georgia Dome. Bama and UGA approached the AU offense entirely different and with more success.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 2:25 pm to Jagd Tiger
Considering the raw materials Steck is provided to start with, I think he does a pretty good job by the time it's a finished product. He's no where near the best and that Auburn game drove me nuts, but in the overall picture, we could do a lot worse. I'd love to see what Steck would do with the kind of talent UF or Bama or LSU or UGA or SC gets where they have 2-6 players every year getting drafted on defense.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:34 pm to MIZ_COU
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I see a lot of similarities between Steckel and Yost. Both had bad schemes that didn't work that they just kept going to over and over. How smartdo you have to be to notice something doesn't work. Pinkel loyal to both
They said its the Marine in Steckel, he's hard headed. That's a pet peeve of mine, there's nothing wrong with strong minded determined people but you don't have to be insane. Sadly that's the way people like him are, they're gonna do it their way no matter how much it makes the team suffer.
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Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:00 pm to TigerBornTigerBred
12-2 last year, lost in the SEC championship game, and won the Cotton Bowl, and we finished ranked fifth.
You people who think Steck isn't any good are nuts. At the top level of college football, having a shyte-ton of great athletes everywhere is who we're competing against and comparing ourselves to. Granted we identify undeveloped talent as well as anybody, but we still have holes/depth issues every year. It has little to do with coaching and everything to do with recruiting.
You people who think Steck isn't any good are nuts. At the top level of college football, having a shyte-ton of great athletes everywhere is who we're competing against and comparing ourselves to. Granted we identify undeveloped talent as well as anybody, but we still have holes/depth issues every year. It has little to do with coaching and everything to do with recruiting.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:02 pm to reedus23
"I'd love to see what Steck would do with the kind of talent UF or Bama or LSU or UGA or SC gets where they have 2-6 players every year getting drafted on defense."
"You people who think Steck isn't any good are nuts."
We saw that kind of talent differential when we played Navy, sorry no passes for Steck. Not only is our coverage easy to read but our blitz package is usually shown early and easy to pick up. We make little adjustments during the game. Anyone remember the TE from USC in 2012? Screen passes to Davis last year, hell the 8 yard cushions vs Texas in 2007 & 2008? If we just found a quality DC like we did with the OC that would be
"You people who think Steck isn't any good are nuts."
We saw that kind of talent differential when we played Navy, sorry no passes for Steck. Not only is our coverage easy to read but our blitz package is usually shown early and easy to pick up. We make little adjustments during the game. Anyone remember the TE from USC in 2012? Screen passes to Davis last year, hell the 8 yard cushions vs Texas in 2007 & 2008? If we just found a quality DC like we did with the OC that would be
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Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:39 pm to Tackle74
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If we just found a quality DC like we did with the OC that would be
Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:39 pm to Tackle74
12-2, won the Cotton Bowl, finished fifth in the country. Steck did a great job all year save the Auburn game, and it was clear our linebackers were way too slow and could not keep up.
Your main proof to the contrary is a bowl game that happened almost 5 years ago?
Look at our recruiting rankings. We are not up to elite level in the SEC. In fact, we're not even up to mid-level, and have never been.
Your main proof to the contrary is a bowl game that happened almost 5 years ago?
Look at our recruiting rankings. We are not up to elite level in the SEC. In fact, we're not even up to mid-level, and have never been.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 11:34 pm to MizzouJim
We knew the answer = d. guy would show up eventually.
Stec wasn't a bad position coach, no doubt learned something from Eberflus but he hasn't become any kind of top level coordinator.
At this point I have serious doubts he ever will. We may have to hope he moves on to a HC job sooner than later.
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