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So What is Sherm's Legacy?

Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:58 am
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:58 am
Now that we have had some time since his tenure, what do you think his legacy is? Aggies spit on the ground when you say Fran, but what about Sherm?

Some people give him credit for recruiting top players, but some don't like SI:

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The presence of so many members of the Aggies' porous 2013 defense docked this class a few spots. But the two huge offensive stars produced enough to land Texas A&M on this list. Manziel and Evans helped the Aggies charge into the SEC, and the pair of three-star prospects wound up being the cream of Mike Sherman's final Texas A&M recruiting class. Not that Sherman realized what kind of talent he signed. He redshirted both of them.


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What do you think his legacy is?
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
10521 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:09 am to
Great coach Sunday-Friday, decent coach Saturday morning, awful coach half time and beyond.

He'll be remembered fondly for his demeanor and relationship with the players, but he was an underachiever on the field due to his stubbornness.
Posted by Manzielathon
Death Valley
Member since Sep 2013
8951 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:12 am to
If 2011 didn't happen the way it happened I'd say it was a positive legacy...

he did bring us JFF doe
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58035 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:13 am to
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Not that Sherman realized what kind of talent he signed. He redshirted both of them.




I'm sorry but that writer is dumb as hell to think that Johnny shouldn't have been redshirted. Never mind that he was never going to take away the starting gig from Tannehill or the fact that QB play wasn't anywhere near the main problem in 2011.

I really have no issue with Evans getting the shirt either considered how raw he was at the time. He had played football for what, two years at that point?
Posted by trickydick12
college station
Member since Sep 2012
1671 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:13 am to
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He'll be remembered fondly for his demeanor and relationship with the players, but he was an underachiever on the field due to his stubbornness.


This

Also the shitty way we fired him.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:19 am to
Off the field- no doubt he seemed like a great guy

On the field/recruiting- definite mixed bag. He could recruit and develop the shite out of an O Line. He had a pretty good eye for offensive talent overall I think. Defensively he neglected key areas on the recruiting trail and that's why we are where we are on that side of the ball. I also think he just wasn't the type that could ever recruit at an elite level.

In game it could be enraging watching us play and thinking back to some of those blown leads makes me want to hit the bottle.

Overall he was a good transition coach from Fran. Everything I've heard says he built back a lot of the good will that Fran fricked up with HS coaches. He put is in a position to be able to be successful at a certain level right away in the SEC. He was never going to take us to the next level though IMO, but again he seemed like a great person and I wish him the best. The win streak in 2010 was by far my best football memory from school and I'll never forget going to some of those games, especially Nebraska. I hope he looks back on his A&M years positively as well
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 10:21 am
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
13840 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:30 am to
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What do you think his legacy is?


Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:48 am to
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Overall he was a good transition coach from Fran. Everything I've heard says he built back a lot of the good will that Fran fricked up with HS coaches. He put is in a position to be able to be successful at a certain level right away in the SEC. He was never going to take us to the next level though IMO, but again he seemed like a great person and I wish him the best. The win streak in 2010 was by far my best football memory from school and I'll never forget going to some of those games, especially Nebraska. I hope he looks back on his A&M years positively as well

Sherman may not have been the coach we wanted, but he was certainly the coach we needed. He inherited an absolute mess and slowly did what he needed to do to build a program. Because of his success in finding offensive talent, somehow he gets blamed for not also building a world class defensive pipeline, as if it's that easy on either side of the ball.

Our job was a plum job in 2012 because it was ready to come out of the darkness of the last decade. The foundation had been laid. Some view our success as luck. But it was years of preparation and then lightening struck. While I'm not of the opinion Sherm was ready to take that next step, what he'd already done was instrumental in that preparation on and off the field.
Posted by betweenthebara
nowhere
Member since May 2013
6183 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:06 am to
Good man.
Pretty good coach.
But it was time for a change.

Though I'll never forget the shitty way he was let go. He deserved much better.
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19200 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:08 am to
Like the guy, he has a great nose for potential talent. Exceptionally stubborn and that was his downfall as a game time coach.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:30 am to
Sherm was the bridge from Fran to Sumlin. He rebuilt a lot of connections with HS coaches across the state that Fran destroyed. We needed the time to repair Fran's damage; it was almost like we were under recruiting sanctions.

Sherm was necessary, just like the coaches that take over under NCAA sanctions; someone decent has to get in there and tread water long enough for the program to take a breath, reorganize and get ready to come back strong. They don't seem to make it very long, usually just a few years, but they pave the way for a real winner to come behind them.

Sherm was vital to the program, just not as a gameday coach.
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
4113 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:43 am to
I think Sherman did a lot of good, but I doubt any GOOD coach would have had difficulty rebuilding relationships w/ Texas HS coaches. I'd say he was adequate as a transition coach, but couldn't have been a long term solution. Certainly his lack of enthusiasm for the SEC was transmitted loud and clear.

As a recruiter, did a terrific job on offense, and a mostly poor job on defense (at least w/r/t what he left for Sumlin).

Was a good game week coach, but poor game day coach.

Overall, his negatives effectively cancelled out his positives, and his ultimate record of 25-25 is entirely indicative of his tenure.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79960 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 3:48 pm to
Here is Mike Sherman's legacy:

Led Arkansas State 14-3 at halftime; outscored 15-0 after the 6 minute mark of the 3rd Quarter.

Led Colorado 21-10 at halftime and 31-21 with 8 minutes left in the game. Outscored 14-3 in the final 8 minutes.

Led Oklahoma State 21-7 at halftime. Outscored 21-0 in the third quarter and 31-14 in the 2nd half.

Led Oklahoma State 20-3 at halftime. Outscored 21-0 in the third quarter and 27-9 in the 2nd half.

Led Arkansas 35-17 at halftime. Outscored 10-0 in the third quarter and 25-3 in the 2nd half.

Led Missouri 28-14 just before halftime and 28-17 after 3. Outscored 20-3 from the 3 minute mark in the 2nd quarter on.

Led Kansas State 31-21 with 6 minutes left. Lost in overtime.

Led Texas 16-7 at halftime. Outscored 17-0 in the third and 20-9 overall.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58035 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 4:58 pm to
you really are the most negative man in the world

we could win the national title and you'd still find a way to piss all over everything.
Posted by SafetySam
Gettysburg, PA
Member since Oct 2013
7174 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:59 pm to
Why did you do that? That's one helluvalot of documented pain.
Posted by wrecking crew
Canada
Member since Apr 2014
1108 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:05 pm to
best coach to blow a double lead digit at the second half
Posted by Raoul_Duke
Denton, TX
Member since Nov 2012
235 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:07 pm to
Sherman did the best possible job that could be done. He was given NOTHING to start with except an undeveloped Von miller whom he developed. He took us from the 1940's triple option worst offense in America bullshite Fran left us with and at least brought us into modern college football with a pro style offense that set the stage for Sumlin to transition to the HUNH. We are in TEXAS for goodness sake, land of the free, home of the high school recruits on offense. He recruited as well as possible turning our situation at every offensive position group into a positive. You can't blame him for leaving the cupboard empty on defense, because as we are now finding out, there is truly only enough elite defensive talent in the state for one school to have enough. Yes, he could have won more and coached better. The only problem I have with him is he was against the move to the SEC. Other than that, he is a very underrated part of the current success we are having. The history books will probably forget about him and just remember the W-L. It was a damn shame the way he was kicked to the curb. Here's to Sherman, , thanks for modernizing our offense and having an elite eye for football talent
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 6:11 pm
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
10521 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:34 pm to
I'll back CGSC on this one. Those losses were paaaaaaainful. I can't even count how many times I was watching a game with someone else where we were up big at half time and someone makes the inevitable "relax, you've got this in the bag comment" and then splat, we get creamed in the 2nd half.
Posted by SafetySam
Gettysburg, PA
Member since Oct 2013
7174 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:49 pm to
3rd quarter of 2011 Oke St was Sherm's Iowa State for me.
Posted by dead money
kyle, tx
Member since Feb 2014
1391 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:07 pm to
If he won half those games he lost....and some of those were pretty damn terrible....I don't think he gets axed and we probably don't get Sumlin. So maybe it's fate. But he just never had a killer instinct and for whatever reason never seemed to anticipate halftime adjustments by an opponent. He ran a pro-style offense that was effective but not exactly rocket science to figure out. And his conservative nature drove me nuts knowing we didn't have a top 5 defense to rely on to carry things through. Sealed by a pretty awful Texas team we had no business losing to so I'm happy he's gone but looking back, he did set some good foundational pieces. Especially on offense.
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