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What will classify Coker as a bust in the eyes of the SECr?
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:51 pm
I've heard a lot of people who are convinced that Jacob Coker will be a bust because he couldn't beat out the Heisman winner and his garbage time stats were pedestrian.
Let's talk expectations for Coker's statistics. At what point will he be considered a success? A bust?
For comparison's sake, here are GMc and AJ's first year starting numbers:
McElroy: 198/325 2508 yds, 17 TD 4 INT
McCarron: 219/328 2634 yds 16 TD 5 INT
Coker has arguably better skill players across the board surrounding him than McElroy or McCarron did as first year starters, but Coker will most likely be playing with a weaker offensive line than his predecessors.
Most Bama fans that I know would be content with Coker repeating the success of GMc and AJ's first years. Of course, we'll take him winning the Heisman, too.
So, Rant, what is the threshold for calling Coker a bust? Under 15 TD? More than 5-6 INT? Under 60% completion percentage? Win-loss record?
Let's talk expectations for Coker's statistics. At what point will he be considered a success? A bust?
For comparison's sake, here are GMc and AJ's first year starting numbers:
McElroy: 198/325 2508 yds, 17 TD 4 INT
McCarron: 219/328 2634 yds 16 TD 5 INT
Coker has arguably better skill players across the board surrounding him than McElroy or McCarron did as first year starters, but Coker will most likely be playing with a weaker offensive line than his predecessors.
Most Bama fans that I know would be content with Coker repeating the success of GMc and AJ's first years. Of course, we'll take him winning the Heisman, too.
So, Rant, what is the threshold for calling Coker a bust? Under 15 TD? More than 5-6 INT? Under 60% completion percentage? Win-loss record?
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:52 pm to chattabama
Who???
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:53 pm to chattabama
Coker is being glorified as the savior for an Alabama offense that has no where else to turn at QB right now. If he doesn't throw 73 touchdown passes, the rant will shite all over him.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:55 pm to chattabama
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What will classify Coker as a bust in the eyes of the SECr?
Losing.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:55 pm to scrooster
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Who???
The next Heisman winner. Obvious answer is obvious.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:55 pm to LSU316
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Losing
How many games?
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:57 pm to chattabama
Based on the excitement of Bama fans over getting him, I will say not winning the heisman, the SEC and the NC.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:58 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Based on the excitement of Bama fans over getting him, I will say not winning the heisman, the SEC and the NC
If you were looking at Blake Sims as your starting qb, you'd be ecstatic, too.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:59 pm to chattabama
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How many games?
2-3 a yr......qb's at Bama haven't had a losing problem recently.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:11 pm to LSU316
Coker hasnt started a single game in college, has only thrown 1 Td in his entire college career, and is coming off of knee surgery. The media and Alabama fans want to believe the hype, but when all is said and done, he will be the pedestrian QB that he has always been. He was the back up for a reason. He lost his starting position to a Freshman. He is NOT the answer at Qb for the Alabama Crimson Tide.
Has he ever led a team on a game winning drive? Has he ever played in a packed stadium on the road or at home? Has he ever faced adversity, started a game or had to put a team on his shoulders?
The answer is no. Dont get your hopes up Tide fans. This season will not go the way you have planned in your heads
Has he ever led a team on a game winning drive? Has he ever played in a packed stadium on the road or at home? Has he ever faced adversity, started a game or had to put a team on his shoulders?
The answer is no. Dont get your hopes up Tide fans. This season will not go the way you have planned in your heads
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:13 pm to chattabama
To me, it's simple: if he does not win the starting job prior to the first game, and keep the starting job throughout the year, I will consider him a bust.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:13 pm to ChexMix
Let's all keep in mind...
He would've been 3rd string had Clint Trickett not transferred from Florida State to West Virginia.
He would've been 3rd string had Clint Trickett not transferred from Florida State to West Virginia.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:15 pm to ChexMix
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The media and Alabama fans want to believe the hype, but when all is said and done, he will be the pedestrian QB that he has always been.
Do you consider Greg McElroy to be a pedestrian qb?
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He is NOT the answer at Qb for the Alabama Crimson Tide.
What would you consider "the answer"? Do you think he is capable of matching GMc or AJ's first year starting numbers? I'm not talking Heisman or first round draft grade. I'm talking functional game manager.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:16 pm to TTsTowel
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Let's all keep in mind...
He would've been 3rd string had Clint Trickett not transferred from Florida State to West Virginia.
Link?
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:19 pm to ChexMix
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Has he ever led a team on a game winning drive? Has he ever played in a packed stadium on the road or at home? Has he ever faced adversity, started a game or had to put a team on his shoulders?
Nick Marshall had never accomplished any of these things as QB prior to last year. Who says it can't happen again?
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:19 pm to chattabama
Hell, at this point I would take a Jay Barker quality qb. Prettiest handoff in football.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:20 pm to chattabama
The fact he will play at Bama means most of the people on this board will automatically call him a bust
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:23 pm to scrooster
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Who???
Cokersiah...
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:27 pm to chattabama
Normally it's just neither a fair nor accurate measure to grade a qb strictly on wins, but alabama is a bit of a deviation from that in my mind.
Bama measures success strictly in wins losses and championships. That's what will determine his bust or success status. He has to win the west in the next 2 seasons at minimum and that's all that really matters imo.
Bama measures success strictly in wins losses and championships. That's what will determine his bust or success status. He has to win the west in the next 2 seasons at minimum and that's all that really matters imo.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:27 pm to chattabama
quote:Dont change the subject. We are talking about Coker, not Greg.
Do you consider Greg McElroy to be a pedestrian qb?
quote:No. He is not as accurate a passer as either of the two Qbs mentioned
Do you think he is capable of matching GMc or AJ's first year starting numbers?
Also, dont bring up comparisons to bolster your confidence in Alabama's Qb situation. How many games have all Qbs on Alabama's roster started, combined?
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 10:29 pm
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