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Minnesota homeowner goes on trial for teen intruders' deaths

Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:23 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:23 am
This guy doesnt frick around

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A Minnesota man on trial for killing two teenagers after they broke into his house had planned the killings, and was lying in wait in his basement with a book, some snacks and two guns, prosecutors said Monday. But a defense attorney countered that his client was terrified after several increasingly violent break-ins and hid after hearing a window break and footsteps upstairs.


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"He's looking, facing up at me, and I shoot him in the face. I want him dead," Smith told investigators.

Smith said he put Brady's body on a tarp so he wouldn't get blood into his carpet, dragged it into his workshop, reloaded his rifle and sat down.

Smith described feeling adrenaline, and "blood was pounding in my ears." He said he also felt he was being ganged up on, something he called one of his "red buttons." So when he saw Kifer come down the stairs minutes later, "I killed her too."

He shot her, and when he tried to "finish her off" his rifle jammed and she laughed, he said.

"I just pulled out the 22 and I shot her," he told authorities. He said he then pulled her into the workshop, but she was still gasping, so "I did a good, clean finishing shot and she gave out the death twitch."

He said he didn't call police because the teens were already dead and "just cause my Thanksgiving is screwed up I don't need to screw up yours." The next day, he asked a neighbor to call police.




I'm all for a homeowner's right to protect himself, and I feel next to no sympathy for the thieves, but I can't condone this. This guy went Jules Winnfield on their asses.
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:28 am to
This guy seems like he enjoyed it ...
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:29 am to
Well damn. I wonder how often this happens and people don't call the police.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:29 am to
A lot
Posted by AU4real35
Member since Jan 2014
16065 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:54 am to
So much crazy in this story... I couldn't imagine the girl laughing after she'd been shot... Sounds like he's certifiably crazy as hell...
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:00 am to
I think you have to be at least a little crazy to kill two people, then sleep with them dead in your basement and wait a whole day to call the cops.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:56 am to
I don't get the "she laughed after I shot her" statement.

Sounds like a psycho.
Posted by Eventual_Seizure
The Republic of Texas
Member since Apr 2014
292 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 3:05 am to
Crazy people say things
Posted by AU4real35
Member since Jan 2014
16065 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 3:30 am to
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Crazy people say things


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"blood was pounding in my ears."


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"I did a good, clean finishing shot and she gave out the death twitch."



Posted by 7Dollarbill
Member since Jan 2014
107 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:35 am to
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I'm all for a homeowner's right to protect himself, and I feel next to no sympathy for the thieves, but I can't condone this.


Why? Seems to me they got what they deserved.
Posted by AU4real35
Member since Jan 2014
16065 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:43 am to
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Why? Seems to me they got what they deserved.


Not sure if serious...
Posted by 7Dollarbill
Member since Jan 2014
107 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:15 am to
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Not sure if serious...


Very. A home owner should be allowed to defend his\her property by any means necessary. Also thieves should be executed rather than wasting space in prison.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18537 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:24 am to
That is a seriously disturbing and stupid line of thinking.

Posted by AU4real35
Member since Jan 2014
16065 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:29 am to
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Very. A home owner should be allowed to defend his\her property by any means necessary. Also thieves should be executed rather than wasting space in prison.


Obviously, you've been robbed before.. Correct?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:33 am to
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Why? Seems to me they got what they deserved.


I specifically said I dont particularly feel sorry for them. That being said, what he did goes beyond any home defense laws in any state. He openly admits to intending to kill them and them going through with that plan even after they were no longer a threat.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:45 am to
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I specifically said I dont particularly feel sorry for them. That being said, what he did goes beyond any home defense laws in any state. He openly admits to intending to kill them and them going through with that plan even after they were no longer a threat.


This.

And I'm as big of a pro gun-rights/home defense guy as you'll run across, but there's a point where after the threat has obviously been neutralized, you alert the authorities and let things run their course from there.

Even the most nobly justified home defenders usually feel some remorse at being pressed into taking a life or seriously injuring someone. This guy's quotes sound like he extracted enjoyment from it, which is a major red flag, IMO.

Hell, even if the theives got what they deserved, a simple "I did what I had to do," would have sufficed. His quotes went way beyond that into some dark territory, unless I'm seriously missing some context here.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18537 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:50 am to
People are getting more and more comfortable with killing each other. I don't know why, but it's true and it's not a good sign.

I also think the prison system is crap so we need to rethink things about the correct thing to do, but this is most certainly not it.
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
21519 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:53 am to
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This guy's quotes sound like he extracted enjoyment from it, which is a major red flag, IMO.

Hell, even if the theives got what they deserved, a simple "I did what I had to do," would have sufficed. His quotes went way beyond that into some dark territory, unless I'm seriously missing some context here.
Yeah, it almost seems like he wants to go to prison with some of those comments. His lawyer did an awful job at advising him what to say...probably a good thing though. This guy doesn't need to be out in the public.
Posted by Charlestondawg
South Cackalack
Member since Oct 2013
976 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:57 am to
None of this would have happened if they weren't in his house. But yeah he's off the res
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:59 am to
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People are getting more and more comfortable with killing each other.


Not really.
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