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Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:19 pm
What do y'all think about the new Supreme Court ruling? LINK
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:21 pm to UMRealist
I feel like we no longer need affirmative action when it comes to higher education, so I agree with it
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:23 pm to UMRealist
Racist Tea partiers in the Supreme court. Wait. ....
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:26 pm to UMRealist
I don't mind giving minorities a head start.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:27 pm to Phat Phil
So you disagree with the ruling?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:28 pm to UMRealist
It's served it's purpose. It's time to take a new step forward, without it now.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:32 pm to UMRealist
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States that forbid affirmative action in higher education, like Florida and California, as well as Michigan, have seen a significant drop in the enrollment of black and Hispanic students in their most selective colleges and universities.
This kind of hits home for me. I didn't go to a selective university, but a minority student could get the same scholarship I received having a 10 point lower score on the ACT, and a lower GPA. I don't think that's right.
On the other hand, I would have never been able to get in to Harvard, but a minority friend from HS did because he was a good football player with similar grades/test scores as mine, and that didn't bother me in the least.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:32 pm to UMRealist
I'm interested in seeing the trickle down to grade schools/HS. In the last few years our district had to restructure their student distribution (we don't necessarily have home schools, but instead districts/resides areas) to be based upon income levels vs. race because of a similar Supreme Court ruiling. There's a lot of discussion here on whether busing kids across the county is better for diversity sake or whether they're better off with neighborhood schools.
I'm admittedly torn on it. I think the diversity can be a good thing in helping break some shitty "neighborhood" cycles. And IMO it helps push kids in an educational setting if it's a more diverse setting. But I'm not keen on sticking a kid on two/three buses for over an hour or two for the sake of it. Or denying a kid placement at a school because there's already "too many" of their racial/income group there.
I'm admittedly torn on it. I think the diversity can be a good thing in helping break some shitty "neighborhood" cycles. And IMO it helps push kids in an educational setting if it's a more diverse setting. But I'm not keen on sticking a kid on two/three buses for over an hour or two for the sake of it. Or denying a kid placement at a school because there's already "too many" of their racial/income group there.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:32 pm to UMRealist
The thing about the ruling today was that it had less to do with affirmative action and more to do with whether a state can pass a policy on affirmative action.
The two justices who dissented (Sotomayor and Bader Ginsbirg) felt that Michigan should not have the right to democratically pass a policy stating affirmative action is barred from public education in Michigan. That is insane to me and I'm thrilled that they lost.
Their position was extremely radical and I know quite a few supporters of affirmative action that felt they were wrong in how they voted. Again, thankfully they lost.
The two justices who dissented (Sotomayor and Bader Ginsbirg) felt that Michigan should not have the right to democratically pass a policy stating affirmative action is barred from public education in Michigan. That is insane to me and I'm thrilled that they lost.
Their position was extremely radical and I know quite a few supporters of affirmative action that felt they were wrong in how they voted. Again, thankfully they lost.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:35 pm to UMRealist
I only got my Posting License via Affirmative Action. So, I would not be allowed to take part in this thread without it.
* bhp pours one out *
* bhp pours one out *
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:38 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:41 pm to UMRealist
I agree with it. Affirmative action has largely outlived it's usefulness and now often times swings the pendulum too far in the other direction by allowing underqualified minority applicants in over far better white applicants.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:46 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I think the diversity can be a good thing in helping break some shitty "neighborhood" cycles
I want my kids to be in a diverse school which is why I'm moving my child out of her 99.99% white private school next year into a municipal school.
However, I don't like the idea of bussing kids in from other areas. I wouldn't want my naive 7 year old daughter hearing stories of absentee parents, drug use, etc.
That may sound awful, but it's more a socioeconomic status thing for me. I want my kids around other kids whose parents care about their education.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:50 pm to BluegrassBelle
Our desperate desire to force diversity into every aspect of our culture seems so strange to me. Why does everything have to be diverse? It certainly isn't a bad thing if it is, but why force it?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:51 pm to UMTigerRebel
Where I'm from you either have to go to a private school that is 95% white or a public school which is 100% black. I would have preferred to go somewhere with more diversity but it wasn't in the cards.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:53 pm to UMRealist
That's the same for the county I'm in (not Shelby Co). Luckily the municipal school district ruling allowed me another option.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Our desperate desire to force diversity into every aspect of our culture seems so strange to me. Why does everything have to be diverse? It certainly isn't a bad thing if it is, but why force it?
I think it depends on the lengths you go to "force it". As said, I'm not crazy about shipping kids 45-50 minutes across the county for it. But I do think, at least from an achievement standpoint, it helps when other kids who get little to no educational reinforcement outside of school are around kids who do. Knowing that I think sometimes it can be worth it.
Our building is really diverse though because we house one of a handful of English as a Second Language programs in the district. I think on last count we had close to 80 some odd nationalities in our building.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:10 pm to UMRealist
They seem to have done their job correctly.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Our desperate desire to force diversity into every aspect of our culture seems so strange to me.
Continued evolution of guilt over years of forced slavery. That kind of karma will continue to make us whites its bitch for decades.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:18 pm to UMTigerRebel
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This kind of hits home for me. I didn't go to a selective university, but a minority student could get the same scholarship I received having a 10 point lower score on the ACT, and a lower GPA. I don't think that's right.
10 points lower? On the ACT? You must be exaggerating. A 10 point difference is huge on that test. A 22 probably couldn't get you into Alabama now-a-days, but a 32 makes you competitive for school like Duke.
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