Kim English PowerMizzou War

Kim English is one of my favorite Tigers, having said that I'm on the fence. Haith didn't have the horses to compete this year down low, which limited him in many areas. Maybe the addition of a true post player (Zach Price) will help, and the development of Jonathan Williams, Torren Jones (provided Haith gives him minutes), and Keannu Post. However, making the sixth man on every team look like an All-American because we couldn't defend the three point line is simply unacceptable. Maybe the addition of a true defensive minded PG Deuce Bellow will help with this. I also don't like the trend that's beginning to show of players looking out for themselves only, and causing the team to not perform to expectations (Jordan Clarkson is a me...me.... me player )


Given the team's roster for next season if Haith doesn't make the tournament than it's time for him to go

Wes Clark
Jonathan Williams
Torren Jones
Keanuu Post
Ryan Rosburg (as a role player no more than 15min)
Shane Rector (looked better than Clarkson in SEC tournament)


Deuce Bellow
Zach Price
Jakeenan Gant
Namon Wright
Cameron Bieschield (2nd semester)

Possibly
Jabari Brown
Jordan Clarkson (please leave)
Hopefully another SG to replace Clarkson

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Saying this alone shows me you haven't seen Tennessee the last few games. They are absolutely crushing people sans playing the #1 team in the nation today.

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Possibly
Jabari Brown
Jordan Clarkson (please leave)
Hopefully another SG to replace Clarkson

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I don't understand this line of thinking. We will not be better without Jordan Clarkson. Yes, we would probably be better if he wasn't forced to play the point but taking him off this team in no way makes us better. I never understood this thinking in regards to Pressey last year. Put Pressey on this year's team and it would have made a world of difference.

I think this is exactly what English was getting at. Why we continue to denigrate our best players and hope for them to leave is beyond me. Yes, this year was beyond frustrating but getting rid of your best players because they were trying to play beyond themselves due to the lack of talent around them isn't a very good solution.

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I don't understand this line of thinking. We will not be better without Jordan Clarkson. Yes, we would probably be better if he wasn't forced to play the point but taking him off this team in no way makes us better. I never understood this thinking in regards to Pressey last year. Put Pressey on this year's team and it would have made a world of difference.

I think this is exactly what English was getting at. Why we continue to denigrate our best players and hope for them to leave is beyond me. Yes, this year was beyond frustrating but getting rid of your best players because they were trying to play beyond themselves due to the lack of talent around them isn't a very good solution.

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Exactly this. I'll never understand bitching about our best players. If you need to bitch, then do so in front of a mirror.

I don't rag the players, I appreciate them deciding to come to Missouri. I also believe they should be putting in their all and working hard as they are receiving payment in the form of a scholarship. I don't question this though as I think it's a given that they are working for it.

The coaches are complete fair game though. If we play our sports fundamentally sound I have no worries or problems.

In Pinkel's season prior to this, and the past two seasons under Haith that has not been the case.

That is something I see as unacceptable.

I think players are fair game for valid criticism.

Kim seems to overlook, quite often, the fact that many of the people he calls out,and he has done it multiple times, support the institution and athletic department financially and emotionally for years and years.

I don't condone over the top emotional rants against players but Kim seems to think they are completely of limits to valid criticism.

I don't understand the point of this thread. KE tweeted something that we don't know the context around. He received a couple of tweets back from Gabe and tweeted that he did overgeneralize. An hour and half later somebody posts the first twitter remark and doesn't mention the second one. Everybody piles on. Then 8 hours later you start the same post here and don't mention the 2nd tweet either. KE is a true son, not by birth, but by his actions over the years. I guess everybody that is perfect and has never said anything stupid should pile on. Even after he commented it was the wrong generalization, people still felt like anonymously calling him out on message boards. I just don't get that line of thinking, like jr high bullshite stuff. After somebody admits they were wrong, that should be enough. Anyway I'll just continue to read more than I post because I will never understand the message board psyche.

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Well he has a lot more visibility to recruits than any normal fan ever would, and saying we have the worst fans period doesn't seem like it'd be a very good talking point.

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He said some of our fans are embarrassing on how they treated former players. This is true of every fan base.

[quote]He said some of our fans are embarrassing on how they treated former players. This is true of every fan base.[/quote]

Exactly correct, I pointed that out on power mizzou, to which he replied

Someone said that the "asking BG or Phil or James, would happen anywhere else".. Not the case.. the players that don't pan out, get roasted (not saying it's any better, it isn't). But you will not find a lot of NBA or NFL players that harbor ill feelings towards their fan bases.

If a kid from DC asked Thomas Robinson about kU's fans.. he'd sell them like crazy. Granted you have the Spoons, and Jmacs, and Aldon's and Max Scherzers who probably wouldn't say a bad word about mizzou fans. But why should any athlete. I mean, I consider myself pretty thick skinned. Ive endured WAAAYYYYY worse growing up in a awful city. But who knows what my "legacy" as a Tiger would've been if Mike A stayed and I left and ended up in God knows what country and having to grind a different path to the league. I can't say how I would speak of MU fans if my career ended in 2011.




To Which I replied that's interesting, but BG and Phil Pressey were nowhere near the same planet as Robinson in terms of what they did in college.




To Which he replied

Mizzoufan26
Thomas Robinson was drafted 5th, Blaine Gabbert was drafted 10th.
Thomas Robinson and Phil Pressey are both playing in the same league.

I didn't ask what planet they went to college on, I asked what their response would be to a recruit seeking advice of Pros from said school.



To which I replied Cool...

Carmelo Anthony was drafted 3rd

Does that mean that Robinson, Pressey, Gabbert and Anthony are all, since they were drafted in the top 10, the same players, had the same results at their school, and meant the same things to their program?

Robinson would have different things to say as he was a very good player for the Kansas program and thus the fans would have little complaint. I am not sure how you think this argument holds any water.




To which he replied.... Nothing, because he was fricking wrong and I win the internet!