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Braves sign Ervin Santana
Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:46 am
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:58 am to DawgNation2012
He will help the rotation. That's clearly why we signed him. We'll see, I've always liked the guy as a pitcher.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:58 am to DawgNation2012
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Do you guys thinks he will be able to help the rotation?
for 14 million, I would hope so.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:01 am to DawgNation2012
Yes. Probably means we've seen the last of Medlen sadly.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:51 am to DawgNation2012
So wait...14mil AND we gave up a first round pick for the guy? I'm not seeing this as some kind of blockbuster deal. I know we needed to add an arm, but Santana is a marginal talent and that's a lot to give up for such.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:55 am to S1C EM
The first round pick was the 26th pick....we just move back to 31...so five teams jump ahead of the Braves. We still have a first round pick.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:59 am to S1C EM
He had a very good ERA last year...especially for the AL...the Braves don't have much leverage.
It was the best option available
It was the best option available
Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:06 am to ugasickem
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The first round pick was the 26th pick....we just move back to 31...so five teams jump ahead of the Braves. We still have a first round pick.
Ah, okay. Couldn't find that info.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:33 am to S1C EM
Yeah we have another pick from McCann and if Santana goes elsewhere after this year(which is 90% going to happen), I think we get another one back. Not quite sure how it'll work.
It'll help the rotation for sure. We were looking very, very thin at the position that carried us to the playoffs last year. I mean, I'd rather have Medlen than him, but what can you do? We obviously have the money and it's not a long term deal that will screw us in the coming years. Any midseason move would have probably cost us prospects.
In any case, it's promising that LM will just dump an extra 14m to help us for a season. Makes it more likely that we extend J Hey next year.
It'll help the rotation for sure. We were looking very, very thin at the position that carried us to the playoffs last year. I mean, I'd rather have Medlen than him, but what can you do? We obviously have the money and it's not a long term deal that will screw us in the coming years. Any midseason move would have probably cost us prospects.
In any case, it's promising that LM will just dump an extra 14m to help us for a season. Makes it more likely that we extend J Hey next year.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:36 am to tween the hedges
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In any case, it's promising that LM will just dump an extra 14m to help us for a season.
Good will gesture probably because they see what's happening in the future with the new ball park. What is our current deal with them (How many years left on the contract?)
Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:41 am to ugasickem
Liberty Media? They own the team so they can have them until they want to sell them. New park opens in 2017. The TV deal is what kills us and I think that runs for at least 10-15 more years.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 10:56 am to tween the hedges
Ah, got confused. That's what I was aiming for...the TV deal. Thanks
Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:23 am to DawgNation2012
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Do you guys thinks he will be able to help the rotation?
In an ideal world he would be a solid middle of the rotation guy and not a number two, but shite happens. He is a talented guy no doubt, but depending on the park he is pitching in he can be a bit volatile, especially in the more hitter friendly parks.
Santana is a fly ball pitcher and his volatility comes from the fact that he gives up a decent amount of hard contact with his fastball, which he throws often. As stated before he is a flyball pitcher who gives up hard contact which in turn can lead to him giving up a decent amount of extra base hits.
In addition to the four seem fastball, Santana also throws a slider, changeup, and a two seamer. As far as durability, the dude just eats up innings, pitching over 200+ three out of the past four seasons which is important because of the amount of uncertainty at the back end of the rotation.
Ultimately, I think Santana will do fine for us because of the fact that Turner Field is one of the more friendly confines for pitchers and our starting outfield is one of the best defensively.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:31 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
Amazing that old Fulton Co Stadium and Turner Field are located maybe 500 ft from each other and have almost identical dimensions
(right center is a little deeper @ Turner)
And 1 place had HR's flying out of it while
the other is known to be more of a pitcher's
park.
(right center is a little deeper @ Turner)
And 1 place had HR's flying out of it while
the other is known to be more of a pitcher's
park.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:45 am to RD Dawg
Yeah I know, it will be interesting to see what the new park is like.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:33 pm to RD Dawg
Not really surprising if you account for the design. Fulton County was fully enclosed all the way around, which kept the wind blowing into the stadium to a minimum. At the TED, the outfield is wide open and the wind sweeps in and can keep balls in the field of play.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:09 pm to DawgNation2012
Playing for KC Royals where he got the lowest run support of all their pitchers, he still had 3.24 ERA, pitched 211 innings, gave up only 190 hits, 76 earned runs, 26 home runs, 51 walks, and had 161 strike outs, with an opponent BA of .238.
Just to give you an idea, KC scored 648 runs last year, the Braves scored 688 with two guys batting .150 (BJ and Uggla).
Santana is solid, and with fair run support, if he can keep around that .238 BAA, he'll give us 15 wins, which is enough.
Teheran is going to beast it up this year and get 20 wins and be in the running for a Cy Young. He's having an incredible Spring.
Minor is looking really good too and should give us at least 15.
And Wood could break out this year too. 5-3 in 11 games with a 3.13 ERA as a rookie. No doubt he should take a step forward.
Who knows what Beachy will be if he's already having arm issues. Maholm and Garcia are inconsistent, although Garcia is having a hell of a Spring too.
Add to all this that Uggla and BJ have both changed their swings completely and are having very good Spring's (Uggla is hitting .318, 7 for 22, w/ 2 HR's, and BJ is hitting .270, 8 for 27 w/ 1 HR), plus Ramiro Pena is back from injury and having an incredible Spring too, and we could have a huge offensive year behind a very solid starting pitching staff and a top 2 in the league bullpen.
Just to give you an idea, KC scored 648 runs last year, the Braves scored 688 with two guys batting .150 (BJ and Uggla).
Santana is solid, and with fair run support, if he can keep around that .238 BAA, he'll give us 15 wins, which is enough.
Teheran is going to beast it up this year and get 20 wins and be in the running for a Cy Young. He's having an incredible Spring.
Minor is looking really good too and should give us at least 15.
And Wood could break out this year too. 5-3 in 11 games with a 3.13 ERA as a rookie. No doubt he should take a step forward.
Who knows what Beachy will be if he's already having arm issues. Maholm and Garcia are inconsistent, although Garcia is having a hell of a Spring too.
Add to all this that Uggla and BJ have both changed their swings completely and are having very good Spring's (Uggla is hitting .318, 7 for 22, w/ 2 HR's, and BJ is hitting .270, 8 for 27 w/ 1 HR), plus Ramiro Pena is back from injury and having an incredible Spring too, and we could have a huge offensive year behind a very solid starting pitching staff and a top 2 in the league bullpen.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:13 pm to BeefDawg
Good analysis. I'm not too concerned with our rotation I just don't know where we're going to turn if we lose anybody else.
But Santana should put up fine numbers in the NL East. I think the reason he chose us over the Jays and Orioles was because he wants a big deal next winter and he didn't want his numbers to get killed in that division. Plus hitting has to be fun.
But Santana should put up fine numbers in the NL East. I think the reason he chose us over the Jays and Orioles was because he wants a big deal next winter and he didn't want his numbers to get killed in that division. Plus hitting has to be fun.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:14 pm to BeefDawg
Malohm is gone
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:27 pm to BeefDawg
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Playing for KC Royals where he got the lowest run support of all their pitchers, he still had 3.24 ERA, pitched 211 innings, gave up only 190 hits, 76 earned runs, 26 home runs, 51 walks, and had 161 strike outs, with an opponent BA of .238. Just to give you an idea, KC scored 648 runs last year, the Braves scored 688 with two guys batting .150 (BJ and Uggla). Santana is solid, and with fair run support, if he can keep around that .238 BAA, he'll give us 15 wins, which is enough. Teheran is going to beast it up this year and get 20 wins and be in the running for a Cy Young. He's having an incredible Spring. Minor is looking really good too and should give us at least 15. And Wood could break out this year too. 5-3 in 11 games with a 3.13 ERA as a rookie. No doubt he should take a step forward. Who knows what Beachy will be if he's already having arm issues. Maholm and Garcia are inconsistent, although Garcia is having a hell of a Spring too. Add to all this that Uggla and BJ have both changed their swings completely and are having very good Spring's (Uggla is hitting .318, 7 for 22, w/ 2 HR's, and BJ is hitting .270, 8 for 27 w/ 1 HR), plus Ramiro Pena is back from injury and having an incredible Spring too, and we could have a huge offensive year behind a very solid starting pitching staff and a top 2 in the league bullpen.
Solid post, but Maholm is out.
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