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Bill Nye and Congresswoman Blackburn "debate" global warming issues.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:58 pm
Painful to watch, especially when I grew up in her district.
Blackburn says three derpy things:
1) The latest IPCC report says humans haven't contributed to climate change.
str8 up fricking lie
2) There is no consensus on the matter.
str8 up fricking lie
3) That global warming may be good for us.
lulzville, USA
inb4 that "liberal agenda"
Blackburn says three derpy things:
1) The latest IPCC report says humans haven't contributed to climate change.
str8 up fricking lie
2) There is no consensus on the matter.
str8 up fricking lie
3) That global warming may be good for us.
lulzville, USA
inb4 that "liberal agenda"
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 2:59 pm
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:00 pm to greygatch
Is the latest IPCC report really from 2007? That's the one you linked.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:03 pm to greygatch
The IPCC is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
What incentive would the IPCC have in releasing a report that says "Everything is fine, previous predictions were overstated, you can fire us now" ?
What incentive would the IPCC have in releasing a report that says "Everything is fine, previous predictions were overstated, you can fire us now" ?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:03 pm to deeprig9
Yeah. The fifth report comes out soon.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:06 pm to greygatch
MSU grad.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:07 pm to greygatch
I think 1 is a legit fallacy. Of course our actions cause changes. Similar to the evolution debate. To argue there is NO climate/evolution is disgenious and purposefully ignorant.
2 is flat out erroneous. Just because the vocal majority tries to block out the minority doesn't make it consensus. There are respected scientist that disagree and the fact that climate scientist have been found altering numbers doesn't help.
3 I give some value to the idea that even if we are changing the climate it may no be that bad. A very small minority of the predictions from Inconvenient Truth have played out.
2 is flat out erroneous. Just because the vocal majority tries to block out the minority doesn't make it consensus. There are respected scientist that disagree and the fact that climate scientist have been found altering numbers doesn't help.
3 I give some value to the idea that even if we are changing the climate it may no be that bad. A very small minority of the predictions from Inconvenient Truth have played out.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:09 pm to 3nOut
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Just because the vocal majority tries to block out the minority doesn't make it consensus.
But that's what a consensus is. When 90+% of a group agrees on something.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:11 pm to greygatch
Our climate is changing, this is a scientific fact. A lot of people blindly say it isn't out of sheer ignorance.
However, the assertion that humans are the major cause of our current climate change is a very politicized issue based on questionable and, at times, fabricated data driven by this political agenda. The blatant exaggeration of the rate of change is the most glaring example and a blatant attempt at fear mongering.
Unlike in the case of something like evolution, experts on the matter are actually split and genuinely debate whether or not we are the major cause.
However, the assertion that humans are the major cause of our current climate change is a very politicized issue based on questionable and, at times, fabricated data driven by this political agenda. The blatant exaggeration of the rate of change is the most glaring example and a blatant attempt at fear mongering.
Unlike in the case of something like evolution, experts on the matter are actually split and genuinely debate whether or not we are the major cause.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:12 pm to deeprig9
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What incentive would the IPCC have in releasing a report that says "Everything is fine, previous predictions were overstated, you can fire us now" ?
Ok, so it's an international conspiracy, and every scientist is in on it.
They're all just falsifying the data so they can keep their jobs.
Why do we have any scientists at all, when they clearly are just going to publish whatever they want?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:14 pm to greygatch
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and every scientist is in on it.
This is simply untrue.
Many experts in their respective fields have spoken out against the concept of that man is causing, and capable of reversing, global climate change.
Nobody dispute the climate change itself however.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Unlike in the case of something like evolution, experts on the matter are actually split and genuinely debate whether or not we are the major cause.
But it isn't split. It's like a 9:1 ratio.
I agree that humans likely don't play the major role in climate change, but we're definitely contributing to climate change.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:16 pm to greygatch
Republicans are by far the dumbest in D.C.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
/shrug
I dunno. I'm a lowly, uneducated pleb.
It just seems like the overwhelming majority of the scientific community thinks humans play a significant role in altering our environment.
I dunno. I'm a lowly, uneducated pleb.
It just seems like the overwhelming majority of the scientific community thinks humans play a significant role in altering our environment.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:18 pm to Urban OhiO
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Republicans are by far the dumbest in D.C.
They're all essentially one party these days, mindlessly bickering amongst themselves.
They all spend money we don't have, they all have the primary goal of getting elected/re-elected and none actually care about those they claim to represent.
The very nature of politics these days keeps the best and brightest from going anywhere near it.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:22 pm to greygatch
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but we're definitely contributing to climate change.
Most likely, but the political agenda behind it is so damn shady I'm skeptical.
The fact is that we know Earth's climate has fluctuated in intervals for as long as the Earth has existed. A lot of people want to assume that correlation = causation with respect to the industrial revolution and rising temperatures. The fact is however that our Earth has been MUCH hotter than it is right now multiple times over just the last several million years and no human intervention was required then.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
Very well put.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:26 pm to greygatch
Forbes has a 36% disconsenting.
the guardian admits that the >90% is flawed.
The second one is pretty damning.
The ones claiming a consensus has been reached is like asking the public "do you think President Obama should work to improve the economy and unemployment?" And then reporting "98% of the populace believes that Obama needs to enforce his policies to improve the economy and jobless claims"
the guardian admits that the >90% is flawed.
The second one is pretty damning.
The ones claiming a consensus has been reached is like asking the public "do you think President Obama should work to improve the economy and unemployment?" And then reporting "98% of the populace believes that Obama needs to enforce his policies to improve the economy and jobless claims"
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:47 pm to 3nOut
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the guardian admits that the >90% is flawed.
This does not say what you think it does.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:50 pm to WheelRoute
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This does not say what you think it does.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:53 pm to greygatch
There is consensus in the scientific community.
Source
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I have brought my previous study (see here and here) up-to-date by reviewing peer-reviewed articles in scientific journals over the period from Nov. 12, 2012 through December 31, 2013. I found 2,258 articles, written by a total of 9,136 authors. (Download the chart above here.) Only one article, by a single author in the Herald of the Russian Academy of Sciences, rejected man-made global warming. I discuss that article here.
My previous study, of the peer-reviewed literature from 1991 through Nov. 12, 2012, found 13,950 articles on “global warming” or “global climate change.” Of those, I judged that only 24 explicitly rejected the theory of man-made global warming. The methodology and details for the original and the new study are described here.
Anyone can repeat as much of the new study as they wish--all of it if they like. Download an Excel database of the 2,258 articles here. It includes the title, document number, and Web of Science accession number. Scan the titles to identify articles that might reject man-made global warming. Then use the DOI or WoS accession number to find and read the abstracts of those articles, and where necessary, the entire article. If you find any candidates that I missed using the search criteria described here, please email me here.
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