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HUNH against the "spirit of the game"?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:10 pm
Somebody likened the lobbying of the new 10 second rule to getting rid of the "quick pitch" in baseball.
What baseball said was that by hurrying up and pitching the ball before the batter was ready, you were getting away from what the whole pitcher/batter dynamic was supposed to be about. One guy throwing a ball across the plate and another guy trying to hit it.
I'm not for or against the proposed 10 second rule, but I can see the similarities. Hurrying up and trying to snap the ball before the defense is ready gets away from the whole, lets line up and see who's best mentality.
The stoppage of play lets both teams set back up and go at each other. It's kind of the whole point. It is one of the big things that separates football from soccer and rugby.
If everyone wants it to be more like soccer, rugby, hockey, basketball, and lacrosse, then that's fine. I, however, like to have a unique sport that isn't trying to be like all the other ones.
What baseball said was that by hurrying up and pitching the ball before the batter was ready, you were getting away from what the whole pitcher/batter dynamic was supposed to be about. One guy throwing a ball across the plate and another guy trying to hit it.
I'm not for or against the proposed 10 second rule, but I can see the similarities. Hurrying up and trying to snap the ball before the defense is ready gets away from the whole, lets line up and see who's best mentality.
The stoppage of play lets both teams set back up and go at each other. It's kind of the whole point. It is one of the big things that separates football from soccer and rugby.
If everyone wants it to be more like soccer, rugby, hockey, basketball, and lacrosse, then that's fine. I, however, like to have a unique sport that isn't trying to be like all the other ones.
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:11 pm to CrimsonCoast
PAWL
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:11 pm to CrimsonCoast
PAWWWWWWWWWWWL
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:11 pm to CrimsonCoast
Sounds like you don't believe the player safety bs either.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:11 pm to CrimsonCoast
Just tell your coach to quit stockpiling 5 stars and other teams will quit trying to find ways to create mismatches.
This rule is fricking stupid and has way to many holes in it to ever get passed.
This rule is fricking stupid and has way to many holes in it to ever get passed.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:12 pm to CrimsonCoast
This sounds like old timers arguing that the forward pass was against the spirit of the game. 
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:12 pm to CrimsonCoast
The only coaches against it are the prominent coaches that can't stop it.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:13 pm to CrimsonCoast
I agree with everything you say but get ready for
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:13 pm to CrimsonCoast
Oh wait, I thought eliminating the HUNH was about injuries. Are you guys changing your tune this quickly?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:13 pm to CrimsonCoast
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Somebody likened the lobbying of the new 10 second rule to getting rid of the "quick pitch" in baseball.
I like this argument much better than the player safety one, although I believe player safety is a valid concern.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:15 pm to polydorr
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Oh wait, I thought eliminating the HUNH was about injuries. Are you guys changing your tune this quickly?
I never quite bought the injury thing. I'm assuming you're referring to some of the other folks using that as a reason to get rid of HUNH.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:15 pm to CrimsonCoast
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If everyone wants it to be more like soccer, rugby, hockey, basketball, and lacrosse, then that's fine
yea just one step away from goals, using sticks, and playing on ice.
Get out of here with that arguing from extremes shite.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:16 pm to CrimsonCoast
im sorry but isnt the offense on the field too?
so if the O has time to get set why doesnt the D?
if it creates injuries on the D why not the O?
if it doesnt allow for the D to sub how does the O have enough?
so if the O has time to get set why doesnt the D?
if it creates injuries on the D why not the O?
if it doesnt allow for the D to sub how does the O have enough?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:16 pm to CrimsonCoast
this whole ordeal has been an excellent education on the mentality of the average Bama fan.
I hate to admit this but LSU fans, Auburn fans, Clay Travis, etc were all right about them.
I hate to admit this but LSU fans, Auburn fans, Clay Travis, etc were all right about them.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:19 pm to CrimsonCoast
Existing football rules indicate that football is not a continuous play game. The debate is where to draw the line.
I don't like the proposed 10 second rule because I don't really think it is going to matter for the most part and I think it will be cumbersome for officials to enforce.
I do think they should do a better job enforcing current rules that relate to the non-continous play aspect of the game of football. For example, officials doing a better / more consistent job of actually giving the defense time to sub if the offense subs - it is very inconsistent and I don't think they have clear standards on what is "giving the defense time to sub." Sometime they allow the defensive player time to get into position from the sideline, sometimes they don't.
Also, they need to do a better job of enforcing the rule that requires offensive formations to be set for a full second.
Again it is clear that football is not designed to be a continous play game (there are specific acts (spotting the ball, officials signalling the ball ready for play, etc.) that must occur between each live play) but the debate is exactly what should be required between plays.
I don't like the proposed 10 second rule because I don't really think it is going to matter for the most part and I think it will be cumbersome for officials to enforce.
I do think they should do a better job enforcing current rules that relate to the non-continous play aspect of the game of football. For example, officials doing a better / more consistent job of actually giving the defense time to sub if the offense subs - it is very inconsistent and I don't think they have clear standards on what is "giving the defense time to sub." Sometime they allow the defensive player time to get into position from the sideline, sometimes they don't.
Also, they need to do a better job of enforcing the rule that requires offensive formations to be set for a full second.
Again it is clear that football is not designed to be a continous play game (there are specific acts (spotting the ball, officials signalling the ball ready for play, etc.) that must occur between each live play) but the debate is exactly what should be required between plays.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:20 pm to WDE24
i think its a rule that needs to happen, and i think the player safety angle is just a pretext that is never the less the most probable route to get it implemented. rationally it holds some water, ie more over all plays per game = more wear and tear over a career for both offensive and defensive players,and more opportunities to get hurt. But without a study or something its impossible to say if there is any merit to it. i do think the whole HUNH thing takes away from what makes football interesting. might as well be soccer if you take away the chess match part of it.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:21 pm to narddogg81
Baseball is in decline.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:21 pm to CrimsonCoast
I'm guessing you also think QBs changing up snap counts & center's who snap the ball when a DL jumps offsides are also degrading to the fundamental "man-vs-man mentality."
Now what about flea-flickers, fake punts, fake fgs, hb passes, etc? Those are all plays to trick and confuse the defense and create an advantage for the offensive team. They okay?
Now what about flea-flickers, fake punts, fake fgs, hb passes, etc? Those are all plays to trick and confuse the defense and create an advantage for the offensive team. They okay?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:22 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Somebody likened the lobbying of the new 10 second rule to getting rid of the "quick pitch" in baseball.
I like this argument much better than the player safety one, although I believe player safety is a valid concern
I think the only valid concern is Saban can not figure a way to stop it. For him to attend the meeting shows how much Gus is in his head 24/7. The game had become a chess match between Coordinators, with plays changing at the LOS on both sides based calls from the sideline. Saban knows if he can not make calls from the sideline, his Ds are lost.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:22 pm to narddogg81
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might as well be soccer if you take away the chess match part of it.
Please explain how the HUNH O renders D's useless.
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