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Slowing down offenses - the not-so-Objective POV
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:55 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:55 am
I understand the cry for formal data from teams that rely on that edge to compete. While some view it as gimmicky, it works. So, when does a gimmick get the respect to not be called a gimmick? After it kicked your arse 2...3....4 times?
That said, I have on MANY occasions witnessed injuries to dlinemen when the up tempo compromised them due to confusion and/or late game fatigue. While not "scientific" data, the dangers are very real. Some of you will dismiss this, but I have objectively witnessed this with my own eyes.
Though I get the frustrations from the Auburn, Ole Miss, Oregons. etc. of the world, I tend to believe player safety trumps their slight of hand schemes.
That said, I have on MANY occasions witnessed injuries to dlinemen when the up tempo compromised them due to confusion and/or late game fatigue. While not "scientific" data, the dangers are very real. Some of you will dismiss this, but I have objectively witnessed this with my own eyes.
Though I get the frustrations from the Auburn, Ole Miss, Oregons. etc. of the world, I tend to believe player safety trumps their slight of hand schemes.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 11:35 am
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:57 am to CharlesLSU
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That said, I have on MANY occasions witnessed injuries to dlinemen when the up tempo compromised them due to confusion and/or late game fatigue. While not "scientific" data, the dangers are very real. Some of you will dismiss this, but I have objectively witnessed this with my own eyes.
if they're out of shape they should have to get in shape...if they're comfused then they're not as good as the other team...what the frick is this
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:58 am to CharlesLSU
quote:Since this happened on MANY occasions, I suspect you can point to at least one and explain how it was the tempo that led to this.
I have on MANY occasions witnessed injuries to dlinemen when the up tempo compromised them due to confusion and/or late game fatigue.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:59 am to beaver
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if they're out of shape they should have to get in shape...if they're comfused then they're not as good as the other team...what the frick is this
even the most highly conditioned dlinemen are put at risk when the hurry up does not allow a substitution. the HUNH is designed to take advantage of exactly that.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:59 am to beaver
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hat said, I have on MANY occasions witnessed injuries to dlinemen when the up tempo compromised them due to confusion and/or late game fatigue. While not "scientific" data, the dangers are very real. Some of you will dismiss this, but I have objectively witnessed this with my own eyes.
"I don't have any evidence. It's true doh. I seen it."
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:00 am to CharlesLSU
quote:They are playing against offensive players just as fatigued, so it should have a negligible effect.
even the most highly conditioned dlinemen are put at risk when the hurry up does not allow a substitution. the HUNH is designed to take advantage of exactly that.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:00 am to CharlesLSU
If you are worried about player safety....
Hits to the head should be outlawed (it has been)
Hits to the knees should be outlawed
Hits to the back should be outlawed
Hits below the knee should be outlawed
What does that leave us with?
Hits to the head should be outlawed (it has been)
Hits to the knees should be outlawed
Hits to the back should be outlawed
Hits below the knee should be outlawed
What does that leave us with?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:00 am to CharlesLSU
Subjectively spaeking, I find nothing objective about your OP.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:00 am to CharlesLSU
quote:I have on MANY occasions witnessed injuries to dlineman, olinemen, runningbacks, qbs, lbs, tes, wrs, dbs, kickers, when the down tempo compromised them due to playing a violent sport.
That said, I have on MANY occasions witnessed injuries to dlinemen when the up tempo compromised them due to confusion and/or late game fatigue. While not "scientific" data, the dangers are very real. Some of you will dismiss this, but I have objectively witnessed this with my own eyes.
What's really funny about this, is pretty much every football fan loves it when a defensive player absolutely blasts an offensive player, but now we are all upset about player safety due to the tempo of the offense.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 11:03 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:01 am to CharlesLSU
I'll never look at the letters POV the same after internet porn corrupted my mind.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:01 am to CharlesLSU
ok...so what's the problem? LSU had no problem stopping us and shutting us down as every LSU fans keeps saying, so someone could stop us
so, what's the problem? one team is better than all the other defenses except LSU so we should punish them?
so, what's the problem? one team is better than all the other defenses except LSU so we should punish them?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:02 am to CharlesLSU
Ok so the O linemen on the other side of the ball are going just as fast and they aren't getting hurt. Sounds like a S&C issue to me. Before you say blah blah A&M fan, I don't have an issue with the change just with them hiding behind the player saftey issue.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:02 am to WDE24
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Since this happened on MANY occasions, I suspect you can point to at least one and explain how it was the tempo that led to this.
In one particular instance, it was in the 4th quarter with a HUNH being utilized with success and the dlinemen were obviously fatigued as a unit. The defense tried to substitute and got a 5 yard penalty. 3 plays later a kid went down with an obvious knee injury when he was overrun at the point of attack. During the replay, the dynamics of the play indicated he was weakened.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:02 am to CharlesLSU
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I tend to believe player safety trumps their slight of hand schemes.
So much lulz at you people
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:03 am to CharlesLSU
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even the most highly conditioned dlinemen are put at risk when the hurry up does not allow a substitution. the HUNH is designed to take advantage of exactly that.
You dumbass. If the subs are ready, they can sub after every play. Auburn did it all year...and against HUNH teams. As soon as the tackle is made, you run off. The others run on. It's simple as boudin balls dude. Which again, makes clear to anyone with a pulse and an IQ over Forrest Gump/10, that this is a bullshite premise. It's the slow pro-style teams trying to change to rules to fit their approach. Don't you get it though? Seriously...do you really want Bama to win every single year without fail? This is a good way to do it.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:04 am to Agforlife
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Ok so the O linemen on the other side of the ball are going just as fast and they aren't getting hurt.
If you played football long enough, you'd understand that olineman are geared for delivering the initial blow whereas the dlineman are geared for read-n-react which is receiving it. Unless they are just blowing gaps/stunting every play, the physics of the situation are way in the favor of the olineman.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:04 am to joeyb147
I have on many occasions watched an injury occur from a big guy hitting a small guy. We should either ban the big guys or the small guys.
big guy hurts small guy
big guy hurts small guy
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:05 am to tkane311
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You dumbass. If the subs are ready, they can sub after every play.
...dumbass? care to read the rules? they are not allocated time unless the offense substitutes.
idiot
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:05 am to CharlesLSU
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In one particular instance, it was in the 4th quarter with a HUNH being utilized with success and the dlinemen were obviously fatigued as a unit. The defense tried to substitute and got a 5 yard penalty. 3 plays later a kid went down with an obvious knee injury when he was overrun at the point of attack. During the replay, the dynamics of the play indicated he was weakened.
wow how specific
and I believe you that a fricking knee injury was caused by the HUNH
kill yourself dipshit
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:05 am to CharlesLSU
Nothing objective in OP. Terminology used made that obvious.
Not worth discussing for me.
Not worth discussing for me.
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