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Finishing out A&M's football wiki pages
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:58 pm
It has long annoyed me that the wiki does not have a complete season results list for A&M football.
I know that the information can be found on the web in various places but with wiki essentially being the #1 online info resource it would be nice to get it all gathered there.
Right now I am working on the 1987 page. For the most part I am using a 1997 Texas A&M football media guide.
Unfortunately, while it does have many bits of data that are hard to come by (like every single game that was on TV since the Texas game in 1951) it is also missing things (attendances, ranking at time of games) that I would like to have to keep the page uniform and consistent with the other modern Aggie football wiki pages.
If any of y'all know of some good reference material that might have things such as rank at time of game and attendance I would really appreciate the link. I've been able to find some info by scouring the internet but would rather not have to find info I need by reading through a hand written box score PDF like I did for the LSU game.
Y'all don't need to aid me in my quest to build the missing Aggie football wiki pages (though that would rock) but any help would be great.
also, here is the link for what I have so far on the '87 team.
LINK
right now I am missing attendance for @Southern Miss, Houston, @Rice, and @TCU.
I know that the information can be found on the web in various places but with wiki essentially being the #1 online info resource it would be nice to get it all gathered there.
Right now I am working on the 1987 page. For the most part I am using a 1997 Texas A&M football media guide.
Unfortunately, while it does have many bits of data that are hard to come by (like every single game that was on TV since the Texas game in 1951) it is also missing things (attendances, ranking at time of games) that I would like to have to keep the page uniform and consistent with the other modern Aggie football wiki pages.
If any of y'all know of some good reference material that might have things such as rank at time of game and attendance I would really appreciate the link. I've been able to find some info by scouring the internet but would rather not have to find info I need by reading through a hand written box score PDF like I did for the LSU game.
Y'all don't need to aid me in my quest to build the missing Aggie football wiki pages (though that would rock) but any help would be great.
also, here is the link for what I have so far on the '87 team.
LINK
right now I am missing attendance for @Southern Miss, Houston, @Rice, and @TCU.
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Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:09 pm to Dr RC
I'm sure I can't offer anything that you haven't already referenced; but good for you for taking on the task.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:20 pm to Dr RC
Good luck on this semi monumental task if I run across anything useful I'll post it here for ya.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:28 pm to Agforlife
thanks
I think I may have found a site that will give me rankings at the time of the game so right now attendance is the bigger issue.
eventually I will need to find a good attendance reference.
I can't figure out where the text is that says I am using Coaches Poll rankings. I am using AP and would like the page to be correct in that aspect.
I also have noticed the 88 Cotton Bowl wiki page has some incorrect data as it shows us ranked #8 when the game was played even though we were #13.
Not sure where that came from b/c the info I have says we finished out at #9 in the coaches and #10 in the AP
I think I may have found a site that will give me rankings at the time of the game so right now attendance is the bigger issue.
eventually I will need to find a good attendance reference.
I can't figure out where the text is that says I am using Coaches Poll rankings. I am using AP and would like the page to be correct in that aspect.
I also have noticed the 88 Cotton Bowl wiki page has some incorrect data as it shows us ranked #8 when the game was played even though we were #13.
Not sure where that came from b/c the info I have says we finished out at #9 in the coaches and #10 in the AP
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:33 pm to Dr RC
I have a gigantic college football encyclopedia that I got a few years ago that for sure has the ranking at the time and I think has the attendance also. It was by USA Today I believe
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:50 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
well the page may not last long as a Wiki mod has tagged it for speedy deletion.
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I can't figure out how this page is any different that the hundreds of other individual season pages already up on Wiki
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:56 pm to Dr RC
Wiki is run by sips
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:00 pm to Agforlife
well here is what I've gotten from this mod so far
right now I am asking why this page is not notable enough while there are hundreds of other individual season pages for many other CFB teams.
I'm wondering if I have run into a mod that hates sports.
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why did you nominate the 1987 Texas A&M football page for a deletion?
I am new at making pages and cannot for the life of me understand what I have done wrong with the page you just nominated for deletion. How is it any different than the hundreds of pages already set up for individual seasons for various college football teams? Kentatm (talk) 19:48, 12 January 2014
UTC) The page you created does not lie under Wikipedia guidelines and is not notable enough to write an article on that subject see WP:N also WP:ISNOT. Nechlison (talk) 19:50, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
right now I am asking why this page is not notable enough while there are hundreds of other individual season pages for many other CFB teams.
I'm wondering if I have run into a mod that hates sports.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:04 pm to Dr RC
Link him to similar pages is all I can think to do
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:21 pm to Agforlife
I just did that in another response.
my most recent response.
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How is the 87 A&M football season not notable enough?
There are literally hundreds of individual season pages for various college football teams on Wiki. There are many about Texas A&M as well. You can see complete season pages for the years 1988-2014.
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How in the world are the other seasons ok for individual pages when this one is not? Your citation is not consistent with other mods views on Wiki pages such as this at all.
Kentatm (talk) 19:56, 12 January 2014 (UTC) Your page has been written in advertisement sense. And there are thousands of seasons on each game that doesn't mean all are notable. What you are trying to do is that you are making it as special one. Its not so, as I already told you that if the subject is not notable then Wikipedia doesn't have an article about it. Nechlison (talk) 20:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
my most recent response.
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Again, I ask you, how is this page any different than the many individual season pages already made for various college football teams? Have you even looked at other pages to see how it is exactly the same?
LINK LINK LINK
How is this an advertisement? Are those other pages I listed also advertisements?
What do you even mean by "And there are thousands of seasons on each game"? What? There is only one 1987 college football season.
Also, I find it interesting that you say I am trying to make that specific season special when it in fact is one of the most successful season in A&M history. They won the SWC, won a major bowl (Cotton) against a Notre Dame team that had the Heisman winner, and finished the season ranked in the top 10.
There are many team pages just like the one I have created that were for far less successful years. Again, how do those not violate the rules while this one does? Kentatm (talk) 20:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:24 pm to Dr RC
I think I may have worn him down a bit
he's lucky.
if he hadn't somewhat relented I was going to bring this over to TexAgs and have the rabble go after him.
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I've removed deletion tag from your page and passing to another editor to handle it. Nechlison (talk) 20:23, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
he's lucky.
if he hadn't somewhat relented I was going to bring this over to TexAgs and have the rabble go after him.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:31 pm to Dr RC
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if he hadn't somewhat relented I was going to bring this over to TexAgs and have the rabble go after him.
yeah we are a lazy bunch over here. The floid of indignation he would have received ftom the zoo would've blown his mind 
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:31 pm to Dr RC
That mod seems to be a bit of a dick!
Although, this person may not be a native English speaker as there are some curious typos in their response to you and so he might not understand completely what you are trying to accomplish.
The Athletic Department should have this info on their website though and preferably for all sports. They should hire you Dr. RC!
Although, this person may not be a native English speaker as there are some curious typos in their response to you and so he might not understand completely what you are trying to accomplish.
The Athletic Department should have this info on their website though and preferably for all sports. They should hire you Dr. RC!
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:46 pm to Dr RC
Lol they would have made his life a living hell
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:48 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
well now I just have to hope I didn't piss the guy off enough for him to try to make a case for deletion to other mods.
It's kind of cool that Wiki will notify you when other people are discussion you on their talk pages.
I have also added players drafted that year to try to give the page a little more relevance.
I think I'll probably rewrite the season description since it was pretty much a cut and past job from the 1985 season page that I used as a template.
It's kind of cool that Wiki will notify you when other people are discussion you on their talk pages.
I have also added players drafted that year to try to give the page a little more relevance.
I think I'll probably rewrite the season description since it was pretty much a cut and past job from the 1985 season page that I used as a template.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 1/12/14 at 6:45 pm to Dr RC
I'm sure you've already found it, but this is the only site I know for historic poll rankings: College Poll Archive.
You would have to match the date of the poll to the date of the game.
Wikipedia mods can be dicks. I've had articles and edits deleted within minutes, even in the middle of the night. Which is why I haven't bothered with it in some time, but good luck.
You would have to match the date of the poll to the date of the game.
Wikipedia mods can be dicks. I've had articles and edits deleted within minutes, even in the middle of the night. Which is why I haven't bothered with it in some time, but good luck.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 7:07 pm to Dr RC
That mod sounds like a dick.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 7:30 pm to PowerTool
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I'm sure you've already found it, but this is the only site I know for historic poll rankings: College Poll Archive.
thank you
that is a very useful site.
I am also using https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/
I figure I'll probably need several references sources from here on out in case I run into mods that might get pissy about the 97 media guide as my main source.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:31 pm to Dr RC
Give em hell.
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