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History shows....A&M's QB play should be awful for 2 years
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:39 am
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:39 am
The thing I always noted in the "Cam vs. JFF vs. Tebow" debates.....
Lets see what the team looks like without them. This really goes to show how much they meant to their schools.
Following Cam?
Trotter and Khiel Frazier. No dobut thats a big drop off in QB talent....but the team just won a NC. And their offensive play was awful. Obviously things have picked up since Gus came back and Marshall took over. But its clear "there is no Cam running this offense"
Following Tebow?
Brantley (not counting Driskel years)
There was an expectation that Florida's offense would be different but still as effective. Brantley was going to throw for a bunch of yards in that offense. They still had some play makers coming back.....instead it was two brutal years for the Gators offense. There was no following Tebow's throne.
Kenny Hill/Kyle Allen?
Both are viewed as big time prospects. But you could make the case Brantley/Frazier were viewed as big time prospects also. But lets assume they're good...
If Kenny Hill puts up similar numbers/wins......doesnt that sort of take away from "JFF's mystique" sure no one has ever been the playmaker JFF is....but If Kenny HIll throws for 3800 yards/rushes for 650 yards 40 total tds...
Doesnt that mean Sumlin truly has a system that helps QBs put up big yards?
If A&M's QBs/team struggles....I think that adds to JFF's legacy. He truly was all they had. Just like no Cam exposed Chizik. And no Tebow caused Urban to have health problems.
So for all the JFF > Tebow/Cam. I think we should wait to see how A&M does now that he's gone...before anyone can come to that conclusion.
Lets see what the team looks like without them. This really goes to show how much they meant to their schools.
Following Cam?
Trotter and Khiel Frazier. No dobut thats a big drop off in QB talent....but the team just won a NC. And their offensive play was awful. Obviously things have picked up since Gus came back and Marshall took over. But its clear "there is no Cam running this offense"
Following Tebow?
Brantley (not counting Driskel years)
There was an expectation that Florida's offense would be different but still as effective. Brantley was going to throw for a bunch of yards in that offense. They still had some play makers coming back.....instead it was two brutal years for the Gators offense. There was no following Tebow's throne.
Kenny Hill/Kyle Allen?
Both are viewed as big time prospects. But you could make the case Brantley/Frazier were viewed as big time prospects also. But lets assume they're good...
If Kenny Hill puts up similar numbers/wins......doesnt that sort of take away from "JFF's mystique" sure no one has ever been the playmaker JFF is....but If Kenny HIll throws for 3800 yards/rushes for 650 yards 40 total tds...
Doesnt that mean Sumlin truly has a system that helps QBs put up big yards?
If A&M's QBs/team struggles....I think that adds to JFF's legacy. He truly was all they had. Just like no Cam exposed Chizik. And no Tebow caused Urban to have health problems.
So for all the JFF > Tebow/Cam. I think we should wait to see how A&M does now that he's gone...before anyone can come to that conclusion.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 11:41 am
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:40 am to Rittdog
I can't read all that shite
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:41 am to Rittdog
Agreed.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:42 am to pleasetakemebackhome
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I can't read all that shite
short version.
Cam and Tebow's teams were awful after they left...especially QB play. So if A&M's new QB puts up similar numbers to JFF...then its hard to view JFF as great as Cam...cause its more a system thing. If A&M's Qb struggles...then a person can say JFF is better than Cam/Tebow.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:42 am to Rittdog
Like from Murray to Richardson...or Richardson to Pullig...or McGee to Johnson...or Johnson to Tannehill...or Tannehill to Manziel..
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:44 am to Rittdog
A&M struggles more with our QBs hitting sophomore slumps.
Reggie McNeal... 2002
Reggie McNeal 2003 & 2005 (2004 wasn't bad)
McGee: 2006 not bad
McGee: 2007 & 2008 Arkansas State. frick me
Jerrod Johnson: 2009 looks promising
Jerrod Johnson: 2010 stop throwing INTS. EVERY GAME
Tannehill: 2010 we wanted him all along. /texags stopped blowing leads at least.
Tannehill: 2011 please score a touchdown in the third quarter so we can stop blowing leads.
Reggie McNeal... 2002
Reggie McNeal 2003 & 2005 (2004 wasn't bad)
McGee: 2006 not bad
McGee: 2007 & 2008 Arkansas State. frick me
Jerrod Johnson: 2009 looks promising
Jerrod Johnson: 2010 stop throwing INTS. EVERY GAME
Tannehill: 2010 we wanted him all along. /texags stopped blowing leads at least.
Tannehill: 2011 please score a touchdown in the third quarter so we can stop blowing leads.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:44 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Tanny sucked arse. but regardless the swamp kitty point is a moot one, or wishful thinking at best.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:45 am to Rittdog
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If Kenny Hill puts up similar numbers/wins......doesnt that sort of take away from "JFF's mystique"
I don't see it that way; not sure why you do.
It's possible to have a QB-centric system, AND have talented QBs. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
But I'm well aware that the talking points around here will continue to be, "No JFF; A&M will suck." I get that and understand why some feel that way.
I agree with your final statement: We should wait and see.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:45 am to super egg
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Tanny sucked arse. but regardless the swamp kitty point is a moot one, or wishful thinking at best.
Has more starting jobs than any tU QB.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:46 am to Rittdog
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:47 am to EKG
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I don't see it that way; not sure why you do.
It's possible to have a QB-centric system, AND have talented QBs. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
But I'm well aware that the talking points around here will continue to be, "No JFF; A&M will suck." I get that and understand why some feel that way.
I agree with your final statement: We should wait and see.
Fair points.
For all I know, Kenny Hill could be the Colt McCoy to JFF's Vince Young
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:47 am to Rittdog
Do you really think Sumlin is gonna have a shitty QB?
Do you?
Do you?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:49 am to Tds & Beer
I don't think he's saying that.
On paper, Hill and Allen are better than was Manziel.
Unfortunately, our issue(s) will continue to involve the defensive side of the ball.
On paper, Hill and Allen are better than was Manziel.
Unfortunately, our issue(s) will continue to involve the defensive side of the ball.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:49 am to Rittdog
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So if A&M's new QB puts up similar numbers to JFF...then its hard to view JFF as great as Cam...cause its more a system thing.
Which is fine and is probably the case.
History is actually on our side. Not only does Sumlin keep cranking out these "once-in-a-lifetime" QBs, but A&M by itself keeps producing first round QB talent.
The secret is an emphasis on offense and 7 on 7 at the high school level in the southwest.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:52 am to super egg
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Tanny sucked arse.
Nein.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:53 am to 3nOut
no message
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 11:57 am
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:54 am to Rittdog
Ags should feel comforted by the fact that they have a stout defense, however.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:54 am to 3nOut
nobody said anything about tu.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:56 am to LSU Patrick
That's a great contribution to this thread, thanks!
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:59 am to super egg
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nobody said anything about tu.
your bashing of A&M at every turn speaks volumes about tU.
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