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Don’t understand CFB commentators who proclaim the AU-offense is .

Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:27 am
Posted by Hootie
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:27 am
. . . . the “wave of the future” of CFB and that most teams will be looking to implement that style of play because it is “unstoppable”. bullshite! First, the basics of AU’s spread don’t appear to me to be much different that the offensives of Oregon (Chip Kelly era), Boise St., TCU (to some degree), Clemson, Utah St. and a host of other lower-tiered schools. For those in Baton Rouge, it looks a lot like Catholic High’s offense under Dale Weiner. Point is, teams have seen these hurry-up, spread-it-out, misdirection-based schemes before, and have figured out ways to slow it down and contain it.

Which leads me to my second point: how many championships have these types of offenses produced, at any level? Sure, Oregon and AU have played in the big game, and there have been some conference championships produced from this style, but I can’t recall one NC won with an offensive style anything close to the spread, except maybe Cam Newton's 201O NC, but that was a singles-event on offense. And Catholic High is still searching for a HS championship with this misdirection scheme.

What am I missing in this analysis?


This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:30 am
Posted by AU03ALUM
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:31 am to
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What am I missing in this analysis?



Nothing. Send this to ESPN.
Posted by joeytiger
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:35 am to
You are right to some extent. The offense is very good when going against certain defenses. For this reason, Auburn and A&M had success against Bama's defense. The problem with it, is when you have a big D-line that can get penetration and good cover corners to lock down receivers all you have to do is play assignment football and key on your man and it can be stuffed (see Stiff Dew Game this year). Bama usually has the secondary to accomplish this, sans this year. It can be successful and even win championships, but it depends on the opponent's defense.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:37 am
Posted by starkag
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:35 am to
Auburn's offense is fascinating to me. In the SEC championship game, they ran like 4 basic plays, 1 of them was a pass. But there were so many different wrinkles within those 4 formations that I couldn't figure it out. Just loading the box wasn't enough. You can expect a run every single play and still not be able to stop it.

Will it last? I don't know. But for now, it's fun to watch, for me at least.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:36 am to
See A&M's game against Florida.
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:36 am to
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I can’t recall one NC won with an offensive style anything close to the spread


UF 2008
Posted by beaver
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:36 am to
It's a high school offense

It will never be successful in the SEC
Posted by FourThreeForty
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:41 am to
That team is still one of my favorites ever. They were unstoppable down the stretch.
Posted by Hootie
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:41 am to
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it's fun to watch,


I'm not debating this. But (most)coaches implement offensive styles to win games and, hopefully, championships, not to entertain. If a coach thought a QB sneak was the only offensive play to run to win, they'd do it. I agree with the previous caller that said it depends on the defense you are up against. It will be interesting to see if recruiting will change to have a balance of big D players, and more speedy, quicker-reacting players (i.e., smaller but faster LBs)to take away the edge.
Posted by Hootie
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:44 am to
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UF 2008
= one player on offense, just like CN. Those type are far and few between.
Posted by TrueSon
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:44 am to
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It's a high school offense

It will never be successful in the SEC


That is a pretty accurate statement. I think it, just like any other offense can succeed at the college or pro level if you have the right skills players and a great OL.

For four years we played against almost the exact same offense in high school, only difference was that the Brookfield went under center a bit more than Auburn does (but most of it was from the gun).

It's not revolutionary, it is quirky. That takes a bit of time to figure out. Give DC's a summer or two to look at it and it will come back down to earth.
Posted by beaver
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:46 am to
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It's not revolutionary, it is quirky. That takes a bit of time to figure out. Give DC's a summer or two to look at it and it will come back down to earth.


agreed...Gus has only been in the SEC since 2009, I just know the coaches will figure it out eventually
Posted by starkag
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:46 am to
Thing is, their offense did not remind me of ours at all. When people talk about "the spread" so generically, they are referring to the teams that throw the ball all over and run just enough to prevent the defense from selling out to rushing the quarterback (though we didn't even do that). Auburn will spread you out and use the entire field, but they can do it all without throwing hardly at all. They can still be physical, ground and pound, all those buzzwords that the dyed-in-the-wool SEC football fans think are necessary to be good.

Edit: not saying they aren't necessary, just pointing out that those things aren't inherently absent when an offense runs "the spread".
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:48 am
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:55 am to
Auburn doesn't run a spread. It's basically an inverted veer, which is a variation of the wing-t.

Coaches know how to stop it. Having the personnel with discipline to stop it is a different thing though. FSU did, and even Bama did this year even though they lost. Where Auburn is successful is when they get a big chunk of yards on 1st down and go into the HUNH without substituting. They line up in the same formation, and can run a handful of plays out of that formation. It puts a lot of stress on the defense. If they don't get many yards on 1st down, like they didn't against FSU in the 2nd half, it's not nearly as dangerous of an offense.
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:00 pm to
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one player on offense


BS

Percy Harvin
Riley Cooper
Aaron Hernandez
Jeff Demps
Chris Rainey

That team used the spread offense and won a NC. dwi
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:02 pm to
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If they don't get many yards on 1st down, like they didn't against FSU in the 2nd half, it's not nearly as dangerous of an offense.


Not to be a bore, but holding a team to short gains on first down is going to make any offense less dangerous.
Posted by Flat Stick
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:05 pm to
I love all these armchair quarterbacks who know how to stop Gus's offense yet not one DC of the 14 they played did.
Posted by See5
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:05 pm to
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agreed...Gus has only been in the SEC since 2009, I just know the coaches will figure it out eventually



I don't know why people keep acting like this offense is something new to SEC DC's. They saw it at Arkansas, saw it at Auburn from 2009-11, and this year and can watch gametape from any stop in between ie Tulsa and Arkansas State. Gus says over and over what he plans to do and how he runs the offense every year.

FSU had 30 days to plan against it with the best DLine and maybe defense in the nation this year and Auburn still put up 400+ yards.

Maybe someone will figure it out but I'd count on Gus staying ahead of the curve.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 12:08 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:11 pm to
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Coaches know how to stop it. Having the personnel with discipline to stop it is a different thing though. FSU did, and even Bama did this year even though they lost. Where Auburn is successful is when they get a big chunk of yards on 1st down and go into the HUNH without substituting. They line up in the same formation, and can run a handful of plays out of that formation. It puts a lot of stress on the defense. If they don't get many yards on 1st down, like they didn't against FSU in the 2nd half, it's not nearly as dangerous of an offense.



YES, very good assessment, though I disagree anyone really "stops" it. Auburn scored enough to win against Alabama and came very close to scoring enough to win against FSU.

It can be slowed, it isn't a "trick." It's just difficult to stop because it wears down your defense and requires your defense to do things that seem counterintuitive (requires a great deal of discipline). You need defensive playmakers who can stick to assignments and not get frustrated. You also need a well conditioned defense.

Hence, Auburn can be slowed against defenses with those characteristics (like FSU). But it isn't a gimmick to shut down, which only plays into the frustration of defenses when it is still effective.

The HUNH is a type of offense, but really we're talking about Gus running the HUNH. He understands what it does, who on his team can do what within it, and what it does to defenses. That gives Auburn a lot of options. He's also pretty creative, which means Auburn will have options even when a defense is effective in slowing his base stuff.

I'm sure good defensive minds will have some success in stopping Gus at times, but painting it as a system ignores that Gus is a really good offensive mind whether he's running a "root" part of the HUNH or not.

Posted by LittleRockHog501
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:12 pm to
I think lumping Clemson, Auburn, Tcu, and Boise state all in the same category is just a bit ignorant. Boise State in their height used many different formations. Auburn runs the ball as much as anybody. Clemson throws the ball around the yard.
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