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re: SEC Program's Bowl Histories. Lets take a look.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 4:58 pm to kilo
Posted on 12/9/13 at 4:58 pm to kilo
The face of college football is changing and that makes these kinds of looks back more interesting for reference.
It used to be major conferences such as the SEC, PAC, SWC etc would often only play 5 or 6 conference games per year and would often play 2-3 serious out of conference opponents from other conferences. Now we're seeing teams playing 8-9 conference games and 0-1 major out of conference opponents per year.
The bowl records are also interesting because you'll notice not all bowl relationships have been as constant as people like to pretend. The Rose Bowl for example advertises their Big 10 vs PAC matchup as a matter of tradition but this ignores the historical participation of other conferences (note Alabama, UGA, Tennessee, Columbia, Duke, Harvard, Penn....)
It used to be major conferences such as the SEC, PAC, SWC etc would often only play 5 or 6 conference games per year and would often play 2-3 serious out of conference opponents from other conferences. Now we're seeing teams playing 8-9 conference games and 0-1 major out of conference opponents per year.
The bowl records are also interesting because you'll notice not all bowl relationships have been as constant as people like to pretend. The Rose Bowl for example advertises their Big 10 vs PAC matchup as a matter of tradition but this ignores the historical participation of other conferences (note Alabama, UGA, Tennessee, Columbia, Duke, Harvard, Penn....)
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Posted on 12/9/13 at 4:59 pm to OBReb6
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We played in it too dude. 1921
Yep, so did Auburn ('31), Tulane ('10), Florida (Dec. '12), State (Jan. '12) and So. Miss ('46).
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:06 pm to kilo
Interesting thing of note is powerhouses such as Norte Dame, Michigan, Ohio State and Nebraska being sub .500 in their bowl history.
Also despite some tough breaks in recent bowls, Oklahoma still retains a 27-17-1 record. Roll Tide!?
Also despite some tough breaks in recent bowls, Oklahoma still retains a 27-17-1 record. Roll Tide!?
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:09 pm to cattus
Notre Dame had a pretty terrible bowl stretch after Holtz left them.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:11 pm to molsusports
yeah..and that '07 Sugar Bowl. 
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:14 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
WildTchoupitoulas
LSU's first bowl victory was the inaugural Bacardi Bowl in Havana Cuba in 1907.
That's a great story. Interesting to note that the term "spick" is thought to be derived from "no spik Ingles" (or "no spika de Ingles").
LSU's first bowl victory was the inaugural Bacardi Bowl in Havana Cuba in 1907.
That's a great story. Interesting to note that the term "spick" is thought to be derived from "no spik Ingles" (or "no spika de Ingles").
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:21 pm to skrayper
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This was the last Rose Bowl game played with "at large" teams from outside the Pac-8/Big 10 conferences. These two elite conferences openly admitted restricting the Rose Bowl, because they were tired of getting beaten by teams playing "hillbilly ball". The same reason they cited for not inviting them pre-1920.
In other words, they never took the South seriously, and then once they were forced to, they got tired of Alabama and Tennessee dusting that arse off every year in the "Granddaddy of Them All."
ETA: Just like now, actually. God, but people are sick of the SEC.
This post was edited on 12/9/13 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:22 pm to kilo
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Missouri 13-16 Cotton
South Carolina 6-12 (No Major Bowl Appearances)
Uh you realize the Cap 1 bowl is higher in the SEC bowl hierarchy.. and pays out more than any other non-BCS bowl right? It isn't as old as the Cotton, which I do agree is a major bowl as well, but it was first played in 1947.
Nice try though.
Oh and while we're at it we also have a few Gator Bowl appearances. This was before that bowl game became the 7th or so selection in the SEC pecking order. It's also been around since the '40s and routinely featured top 10 teams, and in some instances even top 5 teams.
Point is, we haven't been to any of the BCS bowls before but if you're going to count the Cotton bowl as a major bowl you better count the Gator and the Cap 1 as well, I think we've been to a combined 5 or 6 times.
This post was edited on 12/9/13 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:35 pm to SunHog
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teams like LSU who played more SWC teams than their own conference back then.
Awww someone's still upset about the 66 cotton bowl....no national title for the piglets :(
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:37 pm to theGarnetWay
You're not trying to reason with kilo, are you?
You do understand why he started this thread and why he presented it, and the Cotton, in the fashion in which he did, do you not?
You do understand why he started this thread and why he presented it, and the Cotton, in the fashion in which he did, do you not?
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:46 pm to MrBiriwa
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Florida 20-20
First Bowl Victory: 1952 Gator vs Tulsa 2 BCSNCG, 9 Sugar, 3 Orange 1 Fiesta
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wow...Im actually shocked by this...I thought the Gators would be more dominant
Not really. UF Football started in 1990, or approximately ten years before LSU took up the sport.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:53 pm to scrooster
You two dim bulbs are oblivious to the history of the cotton bowl/fiesta in terms of being "major bowls".
Once again you show your arse on the SECr.
Dont like your bowl history? Maybe try harder?
Once again you show your arse on the SECr.
Dont like your bowl history? Maybe try harder?
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:57 pm to kilo
Where are you getting we've been to 13 cotton bowls? We've been to 5
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:58 pm to kilo
Kilo my man, sometimes you just fricking kill me. 
Posted on 12/9/13 at 6:01 pm to kilo
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First Bowl Victory: 1921
Winning bowl games before all you frickers
Posted on 12/9/13 at 6:02 pm to MrBiriwa
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wow...Im actually shocked by this...I thought the Gators would be more dominant
We have never been a great bowl team for whatever reason. Spurrier was only 6-5 at UF. I think it was under Meyer we got above .500 in bowl games, he went 5-1.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 6:04 pm to kilo
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Missouri 13-16
First Bowl Victory: 1960 Orange vs Georgia
2 Sugar, 4 Orange, 2 Cotton
South Carolina 6-12
First Bowl Victory: 1995 Car Quest vs West Virgina
(No Major Bowl Appearances)
Interesting. No major bowl from SC? I didn't perceive them as a very good program historically, but this is still surprising. Looks like Mizzou is definitely on another level as a program.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 6:14 pm to Infinite Jest
Why do people list the Fiesta bowl pre 89 as major bowl?
Posted on 12/9/13 at 6:41 pm to sms151t
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Why do people list the Fiesta bowl pre 89 as major bowl?
I should narrow this down and include only pre 89 cotton bowls and post 89 fiesta bowls in the name of fairness.
Maybe I will try and update when I get a little more time to compile the needed data, unless someone beats me to it and posts it here. I can then adjust the OP.
This post was edited on 12/9/13 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 12/9/13 at 7:10 pm to kilo
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I should narrow this down and include only pre 89 cotton bowls
You're delusional if you think pre 89 Cotton bowl was a major bowl and the Gator / Tangerine (Cap 1) wasn't.
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