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Made the LSU trip with a teasip

Posted on 11/25/13 at 1:16 am
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29177 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 1:16 am
He, "always wanted to see an SEC game". He wore a Central Michigan jersey to blend in, but he's 100% sip through and through.

It was cold and rainy, and from the endzone you don't really get a great feel for a lot of what happened so this might just be a more general thought process and less of some comment one the game being a microcosm of what is an underlying problem. The loss sucked I was hoping for the Sugar Bowl, but life goes on. Anyway, on the car ride back from Dallas(aside from the various musing about teasip football), he made a good point. Keeping the defense honest.

As intense of the arguments we've had about Manziel being the GOAT, he did admit that the whole game seemed off, and the weather made the offense really stale at the beginning. Not an excuse by any means, but nothing seemed to be going our way from the get go. Yet, on the walk to the car, he kept bringing up the lack of the zone read. I also expressed frustration with this, but I think through the course of the dialogue through the day, and discussion of college football in general, I think this offense does a bad job of keeping the defense honest, and it finally showed.

Remember how Manziel lead the SEC in rushing last year? Well that wasn't a result of the system, that was in spite of the system. I remember some stat mentioned on ESPN about 70% of the yards being on scrambles. Yet this year, Manziel has gone more with what he's "supposed to do". Going through his reads. Going for the higher percentage play. But, can the higher percentage play be counter productive? Can going for your second or third pass option just make the defense more ready to cover that play better the next drive, instead of worrying about the scramble? Can that extra uncertainty you put in the defense have an underlying effect that is actually better than the higher percentage play?

My teasip buddy kept asking about the zone read. For obvious reasons about how they've been burned earlier in the season on it, no doubt being why he kept mentioning it... but isn't keeping the defense honest important? Wouldn't the zone read help accomplish this in a lot of ways?

I know that might not have been the problem this game, and Manziel made quite a few great plays with his feet, and his struggles were in the passing game, and you ask what would the zone read really have to do with that... and you're right. I'm not saying the zone read would have made any sort of difference, I just agree with the premise about predictability. Even in a passing situation, the defense having to prepare for a run from Manziel can have a compounding effect. I know LSU is really athletic in space on the defensive line and that's really what made Manziel struggle last year, but I think there might be more. I just think that Manziel this season, even with better passing numbers, might be creating a counter-productive element to how the defense has to play him.
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
13839 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 1:22 am to
I tend to agree. His lack of scrambling/unpredictability this year has made it much easier on opposing defenses to defend against the pass. They didn't even need a spy on Saturday.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
144960 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 1:24 am to
but its not like his production has dipped. lets face it, a top 75 defense and we are rolling into this game 9-0. there were also multiple times where he just missed a wide open evans, or malcome kennedy drops a ball in the endzone. it was just an off game all around for everyone which is extremely disappointing but i do not necessarily agree that manziel staying within the system is counter productive
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29177 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 1:39 am to
quote:

I tend to agree. His lack of scrambling/unpredictability this year has made it much easier on opposing defenses to defend against the pass. They didn't even need a spy on Saturday.


Really? I couldn't really get a good view. I noticed them in that 3-2-6 they switched too last year, and when they broke through our offensive line really maintaining gap integrity, but I didn't notice the lack of a spy. That is very interesting.

Another talking point with my teasip buddy was the tight end. I expressed frustration with our lack of a tight end simply because the of the mismatch possibilities. I know we supplement what a tight end brings to the game with multiple slot receivers, and you wonder what we try to do to exploit the defense over the middle of the field when the defense goes in to a spy, or how that extra hesitation for a linebacker spying could help us in the run game on a zone read play. I mean you can't deny that Manziel's passing numbers(outside of the redzone) are better this year, so what are you left with? Is there a disconnect with what was successful last year, or is this simple the way football go(Ron Washington voice)?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
144960 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 1:44 am to
we have a defense ranked in the triple digits, and we have a chance to go 9-3 in the fricking SEC west with two of our losses by a combined 11 points to teams ranked in the top 5. i think that in itself is insane
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29177 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 1:47 am to
quote:

but its not like his production has dipped.


True. Outside of a few costly decisions in the red zone, his production is obviously better than last year.

quote:

lets face it, a top 75 defense and we are rolling into this game 9-0.


You don't know for certain, but given our offensive production of scoring 40+ every game, this seems very likely.

Posted by betweenthebara
nowhere
Member since May 2013
6183 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 2:31 am to
I've been thinking about this the for the last month or so, and you said it well. Just him being forced not to scramble in preseason, and hanging in the pocket feels like its affected his ability to scramble when needed. But then you look at his stats and he's been more productive this year in a lot of areas so it's hard to nitpick. I'm not sure if that has to do with having to play whole games or not though.

But this offense seems to be taking steps backwards the last few weeks. We will have stretches that aren't very productive. At this point last season these guys were just fricking rolling. Now with all of that said, the blame obviously goes to our d.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 2:35 am to
quote:

Now with all of that said, the blame obviously goes to our d


I have to blame our offense for this last game.

As horrendous as our D is, they did hold lsu to 34 (would likely have been 41 if LSU was playing for keeps on their last drive).

Given that the offense is averaging 40+ coming into the game, that should have been enough to give us a fighting chance.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 10:05 am to
They did have a spy on Manziel. Our total lack of any kind of running game killed us. A one deminsional team will get killed in this league no matter how talented. LSU has the personnel and the scheme to shut down speed offenses. The blame for this one sits squarely on the offense and offensive coaching staff.
Posted by betweenthebara
nowhere
Member since May 2013
6183 posts
Posted on 11/25/13 at 10:51 am to
I was referring to the season as a whole, not just the lsu game. For that game it's on jff and the offense. They were dreadful. That was the first game regardless of what our defense did the offense wasn't going to allow us to win.
This post was edited on 11/25/13 at 10:34 pm
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