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Posted on 11/19/13 at 4:44 am to Agforlife
Posted on 11/19/13 at 4:44 am to Agforlife
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Glad to be here was pissed when it didn't happen the first time
I too was pissed when it didn't happen but if you're referring to the smoke and no fire before we joined that would be the THIRD time.
1. Had we stayed put before the SWC, we would have been a charter member of the SEC.
2. We got stopped by Ann Richards in 1991. This one really pissed me off the most.
3. Then the false start a year before finally joining.
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Posted on 11/19/13 at 4:48 am to CockRocket
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CockRocket
We bring a lot more to the conference than just football.
True. You lead the league in synchronized masturbation.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 8:10 am to JoeKines335
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Arky and South Carolina were added in 1992 and were nothing for several years.
I hate Arkansas just as much as the next guy but they won a Natty in basketball tier first year in the league ... Gotta give them some props for that.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 8:12 am to JoeKines335
DP
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Posted on 11/19/13 at 8:28 am to reggierayreb
"I hate Arkansas just as much as the next guy but they won a Natty in basketball tier first year in the league ... Gotta give them some props for that."
This and they were in the SECCG by the 4th yr. If MU doesn't do it this yr the odds are neither ATM or MU will be there before their 4th year.
This and they were in the SECCG by the 4th yr. If MU doesn't do it this yr the odds are neither ATM or MU will be there before their 4th year.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:00 am to CockRocket
Flame on Gamecocks
This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 9:06 am
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:17 am to Bogie00
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The rivalry (hate) was intense, but that only comes from the fact that Mizzou won enough times to make it so.
I thought it was because we burned Lawrence, KS to the ground after they sacked Osceola, Mo., murdering our innocent civilians.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:19 am to CockRocket
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I'm just going to go with my gut and assume y'all have never won anything of relevance.
Other than the war, you mean. You call us Yankees after all.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:36 am to JoeKines335
The key to the A&M and Mizzou additions is both schools were diamonds in the rough. Both schools are strong academically with plenty of resources and growth potential, they just needs a place they could grow.
It's been a great move for both sides.
The Big 1G bought high on Nebraska. Almost immediately after they were admitted they lost their AAU status. Their recruiting has been cut off at the knees and they are being exposed for what they are. A lightly populated Midwestern state school with modest resources. They cannot realistically compete with Ohio State, Penn State, or Michigan on a long term basis. Rutgers and Maryland make no sense at all in the Big 1G except in terms of being state AAU schools.
TCU and WVU were low resource schools that could overachieve in weak conferences. They have no chance of doing anything long term against schools that are more prominent and have more resources. I don't know how WVU is going to recruit with no rivals and most of their road games a thousand miles away in a different time zone.
The Pac 12 got 2 "meh" additions with Utah and CU. CU has made a conscious effort to stop investing in football at all. Utah is a resource limited school from a modestly populated state where most people are BYU fans.
It's been a great move for both sides.
The Big 1G bought high on Nebraska. Almost immediately after they were admitted they lost their AAU status. Their recruiting has been cut off at the knees and they are being exposed for what they are. A lightly populated Midwestern state school with modest resources. They cannot realistically compete with Ohio State, Penn State, or Michigan on a long term basis. Rutgers and Maryland make no sense at all in the Big 1G except in terms of being state AAU schools.
TCU and WVU were low resource schools that could overachieve in weak conferences. They have no chance of doing anything long term against schools that are more prominent and have more resources. I don't know how WVU is going to recruit with no rivals and most of their road games a thousand miles away in a different time zone.
The Pac 12 got 2 "meh" additions with Utah and CU. CU has made a conscious effort to stop investing in football at all. Utah is a resource limited school from a modestly populated state where most people are BYU fans.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:45 am to Mizzeaux
The Mizzou South Carolina rivalry on here is weird
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:52 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
It isn't a rivalry. SC needs to dickride OM and A&M in order to win the east. It is completely out of their control. So SC trolls Mizzou, Mizzou fans take the bait instead of just moving on. Once the east is decided one way or the other normalcy will return.
ETA - And much of that is fueled by the fact that SC fans fear that they will have once again have beaten the team that ends up winning the east. I can understand their frustration.
ETA - And much of that is fueled by the fact that SC fans fear that they will have once again have beaten the team that ends up winning the east. I can understand their frustration.
This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 9:54 am
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:41 am to JoeKines335
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Nebraska is a great get for the B1G
Posted on 11/19/13 at 4:52 pm to KSGamecock
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Nebraska won't prove to be nearly as wise a move as it first appeared, they're bound for collapse for a few reasons:
1. Recruiting. No local talent so where do they recruit now? No more Texas games to promise to those kids and the Ohio market will be hard to break into so they have to go National. Today's recruits don't remember 90's NU and Lincoln is a hard sell.
2. Coaching. Unreasonable fan expectations have gotten good coaches fired and they seem to expect a NC every year. Who really wants a job with that sort of pressure?
3. Overall weakness of the B1G will prevent them from breaking into relevance, especially with them moving to a seven team west division...think Big XII north but shittier. Pretty much just them and Wisconsin.
4. No more classic Nebraska tricks...gone are the days of the partial qualifier and two hundred kids in uniform. No more national respect for a season of cupcakes with one good OU game in there.
They'll be the next Minnesota or Illinois.
This is a really good post. I love the idea of a top ten program dying.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 4:53 pm to JoeKines335
I'm an upgrade. Congrats.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 5:51 pm to CockRocket
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I'm an Ole Miss fan, can't you see the logo, dipshit?
It would appear. But anything is possible. You have an Ole Miss fan avi, but a USCe signature. Much like my avi and sig. It might be that you've changed your avi to OM from USCe for the up and comming game between OM and Mizzou? You give the impression your a USCe fan.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 6:09 pm to JoeKines335
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JoeKines335
I think it was the best for both Mizzou and aTm and the SEC. We may have a better record so far this year than last year, but......we have'nt done anything yet. There's still two more games to go. Then if we're lucky enough to win those two games, then we have a shear cliff to climb in just competing with Bama in the SEC-CG. So until all this takes place, I'm not ready to get too excited.
I think it was no secret that the big 12 being weakened when Mizzou was the final pick to go the SEC. As a matter of fact, the big 12 looked at one point like it may not survive losing the teams that left. There was alot of doubt going on. I think when the big 10 rejected Mizzou before all this happened, the Bevo 12 took this as a weakness and misjudged thier bounds and it backfired on them.
But most Mizzou fans are glad to be here instead of there. Being treated like a second class citizen in your own conference is hard to stomach year after year.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 8:52 pm to jafo
The Big 12 showed their lack of knowledge by bringing in West Virginia. They would have been better off bringing in BYU if they wanted a team that far away.
The team that the Big 12 should have brought in was Louisville. Decent football team that would have benefited from some Texas recruiting and a very good basketball team to compete with kansas.
TCU brings nothing and is horrible in basketball. If you don't bring in BYU then Cincinnati would have been a much better fit compared to the TCU/WV.
The team that the Big 12 should have brought in was Louisville. Decent football team that would have benefited from some Texas recruiting and a very good basketball team to compete with kansas.
TCU brings nothing and is horrible in basketball. If you don't bring in BYU then Cincinnati would have been a much better fit compared to the TCU/WV.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:08 pm to mutigerz
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The Big 12 showed their lack of knowledge by bringing in West Virginia. They would have been better off bringing in BYU if they wanted a team that far away. The team that the Big 12 should have brought in was Louisville. Decent football team that would have benefited from some Texas recruiting and a very good basketball team to compete with kansas. TCU brings nothing and is horrible in basketball. If you don't bring in BYU then Cincinnati would have been a much better fit compared to the TCU/WV.
I think they just took what they could easily aquire to plug the holes in the dam. After Mizzou left on aTm's heels, about all the stability in the conference was gone. Who they should have got is all speculation. Those teams may not have wanted to come. Then you also have to throw in the problems of teams being able to leave thier respective conferences. WV just about couldn't get out. Thats what makes the SEC special. I don't think there is any exiting fee like Mizzou had to negotiate to get out of the Bevo-12. They still have room to add a couple more teams which I think will happen at some point in the near future. The biggest mistake that was made is forming the big12. It should have stayed the big8 or big6. I can understand where the SEC fans are comming from with all this expansion. I understand why they would rather leave it the way it was years ago. It can get way too big.
All that aside, I'm glad Mizzou took the leap but yet understand where the true SEC fans are comming from with the expansion. In ways I think it was good as long as the SEC doesn;t try to change it's identity like the big 12 did.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:28 pm to jafo
Louisville and Cincy very much wanted to come to the Big 12. Louisville got lucky that ACC lost 2 to the Big.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:45 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Master stroke by the administrations in Aggieland and CoMo
Come onnnn now Amigo. I think it had a little more to do with the SEC's offer than it did master strokes by anyone Aggieland and CoMo.
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