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Coach on the Hot Seat — Frank Haith (Missouri)

Posted on 11/8/13 at 1:29 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 11/8/13 at 1:29 pm
"Other than "Do you and Evan Turner really not like each other?" the one question people most often ask me is "Why do you hate Frank Haith so much?" I never get the chance to fully explain the story because I usually get asked on Twitter and have only 140 characters. Let's address it now. First, however, let me make it clear that I have nothing personal against Haith, and "hate" is way too strong of a word. He's probably a decent enough guy and I'm sure in another life he and I would get together on the weekends to watch football and eat pizza rolls or something.

Anyway, here's what happened: At some point during Haith's first season at Missouri, when the Tigers finished 30-5 and Haith was named national coach of the year, I realized that every time he was shown onscreen he looked like he was having an internal debate over what Nickelodeon slime tasted like. I wasn't criticizing his coaching at that point. I was just noting that he always looked like he was staring off into space. But then I started paying more and more attention to Missouri's games and realized far too many of Haith's players were undisciplined in big spots, especially when they blew a 19-point second-half lead at Kansas. I figured this had to do with Haith's coaching, but I still wasn't completely sold that it was his fault. Then Missouri lost to Norfolk State in the first round of the NCAA tournament and everything became clear.

Most of the national media applauded Haith for a 30-win season and blamed the Norfolk State loss on Mizzou's players, bad luck, and Norfolk State preparing well for the game (while also noting that Coach K and Duke also lost to a 15-seed, so it couldn't be the coach's fault). The consensus was that Haith would build off the success and continue to do well in Columbia. I took a different lesson from this game: Frank Haith just isn't a good coach. Every time I mentioned that Missouri made a hiring mistake,4 Mizzou fans defended Haith and wondered why I was criticizing the national coach of the year. Then I was vindicated when Missouri capped off an underwhelming 2012-13 season with a 12-point loss to Colorado State in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Following that loss, I admittedly spiked the ball and said "I told you so" so many times that if you type "Frank Haith Mark Titu" into Google's search bar, "Frank Haith Mark Titus" comes up as a suggestion.

For what it's worth, I'd love to be wrong and see Haith prove that he's been a good coach all along and that he's just had a run of bad luck. Lord knows Missouri fans have been through enough over the years, and the last thing they need to add to their never-ending torture is an incompetent coach. Unfortunately, considering that Haith's successor at Miami, Jim Larranaga, won more NCAA tournament games last season than Haith has won in his career, I'm not getting my hopes up."

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Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111496 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 1:41 pm to
Lol. Haith isn't on the hot seat. He could finish .500 and outside the tournament and still keep his job.

Do you think Arkansas finishes ahead of Mizzou in the SEC standings? I don't.
This post was edited on 11/8/13 at 1:42 pm
Posted by hawgfaninc
https://youtu.be/torc9P4-k5A
Member since Nov 2011
46322 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

Coach on the Hot Seat — Frank Haith

would not be surprised to see haith gone from mizzou in a year or two

and mizzou fans would bee yearning for the days of yore when they had mike anderson as their coach
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Member since Nov 2011
46322 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 1:47 pm to
other notes from the grantland article:
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Top Three Teams

1. Kentucky
2. Florida
3. Tennessee

quote:

Best College Player — Alex Poythress (Kentucky)

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Best Pro Prospect — Julius Randle (Kentucky)

quote:

Most Underrated Player — Jarnell Stokes (Tennessee)

quote:

Best Senior With a Slim Chance at an NBA Career — Patric Young (Florida)

quote:

Player Who Best Fits the Label "Loose Cannon" — Marshall Henderson (Ole Miss)

quote:

Most Intriguing New Coach Player — Dorian Finney-Smith (Florida)

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Coach on the Hot Seat — Frank Haith (Missouri)

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Most Compelling Story Line — Freshmen
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14509 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 1:51 pm to
Wasn't much of a conference preview. Lots of info on UK and UF though.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
29115 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 1:53 pm to
Wouldn' t auburn's coach be on the hot seat? He's had a reasonable amount of time to put a decent product on the court
Posted by Beta04
St. Louis
Member since Aug 2013
315 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 1:57 pm to
IF he makes the tourney....and that's a huge IF based their exhibition play, and goes 1 and done again, he will most definitely be on the hot seat
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14509 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

Wouldn' t auburn's coach be on the hot seat?


Pretty sure the coaches for UGA and Bama are also on the hot seat...
Posted by MizzouSEC2012
MIZZOU STUDENT SECTION
Member since Sep 2012
3621 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 1:58 pm to
No other coach has managed to bring in the caliber of players Mizzou has been landing with Frank Haith as coach going down the list of top recruits. We still don't know a whole lot about Haith yet because he hasn't had his own group of players to work with, this will buy Haith time he needs to get his players.


Jonathan Williams # 42 overall player 2013 class
Jabarai Brown # 19 overall player (transfer from Oregon)
Zach Price # 67 overall player (transfer from Louisville)
Deuce Bellow # 54 overall player (transfer from Baylor)
Jakeem Gant # 47 overall player 2014 class
Namon Wright # 87 overall player 2014 class
Wes Clark # 72 overall player class of 2013
Jordan Clarkson- Transfer from Houston
This post was edited on 11/8/13 at 2:01 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111496 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:05 pm to
Clarkson transferred from University of Tulsa.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:16 pm to
Did not read. Short answer is no, no hot seat.

Haith was left a mess by MA. He managed, through transfers to not only balance out our classes, but still make the tourney both years while doing so. How many other schools continue to make the tourney during rebuilding years? A handful, but it's a small handful. He definitely has a hurdle to get over, namely winning in the tourney, but he's been recruiting better than anyone at Mizzou in a long time.

Compare what Haith has accomplished in exactly the same length of time as MA. That should give you some idea of which coach is closer to the hot seat, and I don't even think MA is close to the hot seat yet. He gets another year at least.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27421 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:31 pm to
Hogs, please stop. We are not your rivals.

You will have to look elsewhere.



Posted by Foolish cock
South Cak
Member since Dec 2012
2529 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:40 pm to
Too long and by dale denton.

Didnt read
Posted by FightTigers
Missourah
Member since Oct 2011
2693 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:47 pm to
DaleDenton sucks and I wish he would get banned again. Nice sail though, but rivalry application denied
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

Player Who Best Fits the Label "Loose Cannon" — Marshall Henderson (Ole Miss)


They clearly wanted to list Marshall Henderson
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
57693 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:52 pm to
quote:


Do you think Arkansas finishes ahead of Mizzou in the SEC standings?
Easily. We'll be top 25 by the end of the season.
Posted by FightTigers
Missourah
Member since Oct 2011
2693 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:54 pm to
LOL, still drinking the LMA koolaide I see.
Posted by Bogie00
Tiger in Kansas
Member since Apr 2012
5703 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:55 pm to
Mizzou is still playing football....did not read.
Posted by Mizzeaux
Worshington
Member since Jun 2012
13893 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

Easily. We'll be top 25 by the end of the season.



Did you get all the away games eliminated from your schedule?
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28026 posts
Posted on 11/8/13 at 2:56 pm to
Not on hot seat yet, but he's not a very good x's and o's coach.

When Ernie Nestor left, so did the x's and o's, and it showed. They were a fricking train wreck at the end of games. There was no focus, no one to get them on the same page.

Cut to When Ernie was there, you would see him in Franks ear all during the game, and when they went to TimeOut, Ernie was the one with clip board and talking.

If you cannot coach the x's and o's, it doesn't matter who you recruit.
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