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UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 18 but most are questionable

Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:48 pm
Let me preface this by saying that the BCS, started in 1998, was the best thing that happened to college football. It forced the top 2 teams to play each other in their final game of the season. Prior to that, the conference bowl alliances most often kept fans of the sport from seeing the top 2 teams play each other in the final game. As a matter of fact, from 1936 to 1997, the AP No. 1 and 2 teams only faced off in bowl games 11 times. This is where the phrase Mythical National Champion comes from.

Therefore, I contend that, prior to the first BCS Title game in 1998, if the top 2 teams at the end of the regular season did not face off in a bowl game, then we will never know if the team that was arbitrarily awarded the title that season was really the best team. For the purposes of my argument, I will use the AP rankings from 1936 to 1997, and the BCS rankings from 1998 to 2013. Of course, the winner of the CFB playoff, started in 2014, is a legit title winner.

Alabama, which is a great program and arguably the greatest of all time, claims 18 national titles. But only 8 came in seasons in which they finished the regular season No. 1 or 2 and played the No. 1 or 2 team in their final game of the season. Alabama's legit titles came in 1978, 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2017 and 2020.

Granted, Alabama had good teams in those other years in which they claim questionable titles, but there was always at least one other school that could make the claim as the best team. And since they didn't decide it on the field, title claims in those years lack legitimacy.

Following my sound logic, Notre Dame, which claims 11 national titles, has no legit titles. Southern Cal also claims 11 titles, but only 2 are legit. Oklahoma claims 7 titles but only one is legit. Ohio State claims 8 but only 3 are legit. There are lots more examples of this.

In conclusion, next time you see Alabama fans (or even Notre Dame fans) popping off about their national titles, just laugh at them and reference this write up. Both the BCS and the current playoff system will render many of those title claims silly (or in Notre Dame's case, all of them).

School (# of Legit Titles)...Title Seasons
Alabama (8): 1978, 1992, 2009**, 2011*, 2012***, 2015, 2017*, 2020****
LSU (3): 2003, 2007, 2019
Florida St (3): 1993, 1999, 2013
Ohio State (3): 1968, 2002, 2014
Clemson (2): 2016, 2018
Nebraska (2): 1971, 1995
Penn State (2): 1982, 1986
USC (2): 1962, 2004
Miami (FL) (2): 1987, 2001
Florida (2): 2006, 2008
Texas (2): 1963, 2005
Georgia (2): 2021, 2022
Auburn (1): 2010
Oklahoma (1): 2000
Tennessee (1): 1998
Michigan (1): 2023

Legit Titles By Coach:
Nick Saban (7): 2003, 2009**, 2011*, 2012***, 2015, 2017*, 2020****
Urban Meyer (3): 2006, 2008, 2014
Dabo Swinney (2): 2016, 2018
Bobby Bowden (2): 1993, 1999
Joe Paterno (2): 1982, 1986
Kirby Smart (2): 2021, 2022
Ed Orgeron (1): 2019
Les Miles (1): 2007
Phil Fulmer (1): 1998
Gene Chizik (1): 2010
Tom Osborne (1): 1995
Jim Tressel (1): 2002
Woody Hayes (1): 1968
John McKay (1): 1962
Bob Devaney (1): 1971
Jimmy Johnson (1): 1987
Larry Coker (1): 2001
Pete Carroll (1): 2004
Jim Harbaugh (1): 2023
Jimbo Fisher (1): 2013
Bob Stoops (1): 2000
Darrell Royal (1): 1963
Mack Brown (1): 2005
Gene Stallings (1): 1992
Bear Bryant (1): 1978

* Did not win division
** Texas QB Colt McCoy left game in 1st quarter of BCS title game
*** Diminished title due to undefeated Ohio State's postseason ban
**** Diminished title due to COVID


This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 8:52 am
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:49 pm to


Chicken master troll.
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
13839 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:49 pm to
Solid cluck.
Posted by beaver
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

Bogus National Title claims...Alabama claims 15 but most are questionable...


quote:

Chicken


Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:49 pm to
you should sticky this
Posted by Tennessee Jed
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:49 pm to
2007 LSU is not legit, it's the primary reason the BCS is/was a complete failure.
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
37549 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:50 pm to
Let's hear the Alabama douches respond to this thread like they do others
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49205 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:50 pm to
No 1980?

Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:50 pm to
Your method doesn't bother me. Basically you have to have won either an official or a de facto championship game in order to be the Champion.


As long as you're ok saying there was no Champion most seasons in college football history
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36485 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:50 pm to
Uh oh
Posted by 870Hog
99999 posts
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:51 pm to
So you don't consider Arkansas' 1964 title legit.

:herewegogif:
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:51 pm to
Chicken has spoken/clucked and the issue is settled
Posted by NATidefan
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:51 pm to
tl;dr

21-0
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:51 pm to
So you used the most insantely strict criteria possible and concluded Alabama has more titles than anyone, in fact more than double of anyone.

Good job?
This post was edited on 11/6/13 at 12:52 pm
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
37549 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

2007 LSU is not legit, it's the primary reason the BCS is/was a complete failure.


It's legit

Who should have played in the title game that year?
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25607 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

Let's hear the Alabama douches respond to this thread like they do others


How dare Alabama fans respond to a thread about Alabama!
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:51 pm to
100 pages
This post was edited on 11/6/13 at 12:55 pm
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Dystopia (but well cared for)
Member since Mar 2012
25235 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:51 pm to
2003 was split and caused AP to leave. 2007 was consensus (AP, Coaches, FWAA).


quote:

Tennessee Jed

Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:51 pm to
So how many years was there no Champion?
Posted by dawg4lyfe
Member since May 2012
11662 posts
Posted on 11/6/13 at 12:52 pm to
No UGA for 1980?


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