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Guess the top three SEC defenses in terms of yards per play allowed...
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:46 am
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:46 am
1 Florida 4.64
2 Alabama 4.81
3 LSU 5.10
4 Missouri 5.17
5 Miss 5.40
6 South Carolina 5.47
7 Mississippi State 5.51
8 Vanderbilt 5.55
9 Georgia 5.58
10 Auburn 5.67
11 Arkansas 5.68
12 Tennessee 6.06
13 Kentucky 6.33
14 Texas A&M 6.36
#14 did not surprise me. #3 did.
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2 Alabama 4.81
3 LSU 5.10
4 Missouri 5.17
5 Miss 5.40
6 South Carolina 5.47
7 Mississippi State 5.51
8 Vanderbilt 5.55
9 Georgia 5.58
10 Auburn 5.67
11 Arkansas 5.68
12 Tennessee 6.06
13 Kentucky 6.33
14 Texas A&M 6.36
#14 did not surprise me. #3 did.
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Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:47 am to Hugh McElroy
Points allowed per game is more important.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:48 am to Hugh McElroy
Most overrated stat in CFB
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:48 am to Hugh McElroy
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1 Florida 4.64
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:48 am to Hugh McElroy
Also, OP needs benching.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:50 am to TheSandman
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Most overrated stat in CFB
Why do you say that? It's the most fine-grained defensive stat we have. There are lots of plays over the course of a season, so the anomalies get averaged out. Plus, some defenses give up more points and more yards just because their own offense plays faster and scores faster, so they end up defending more plays. Yards per play accounts for that, at least in part.
This post was edited on 10/31/13 at 11:51 am
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:53 am to Hugh McElroy
Because all that matters at the end of the day is the number of points on the scoreboard.
And there's not nearly as close of a correlation between yards given up and points as most people would lead you to believe.
And there's not nearly as close of a correlation between yards given up and points as most people would lead you to believe.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:55 am to TheSandman
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Because all that matters at the end of the day is the number of points on the scoreboard.
Well, of course. But that doesn't mean a defense on a team that allows fewer points is better than a defense on a team that allows more points; some defenses have to defend more plays, and some teams have bad special teams, or offenses that turn the ball over a bunch.
This post was edited on 10/31/13 at 11:56 am
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:02 pm to Hugh McElroy
Dammit! You can't ask us to guess and then list them. It takes away a major element of the guessing game. Bastard.
Had you not spoiled me, I would have guessed the top two, btw, but would have guessed OM at #3.
Had you not spoiled me, I would have guessed the top two, btw, but would have guessed OM at #3.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:02 pm to TheSandman
Oh, and Sandman needs benching.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:03 pm to randomways
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Dammit! You can't ask us to guess and then list them. It takes away a major element of the guessing game. Bastard.
Had you not spoiled me, I would have guessed the top two, btw, but would have guessed OM at #3.
Sorry. I just supposed that people would guess before clicking the link.
I would have guessed South Carolina at #3.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:04 pm to Hugh McElroy
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Why do you say that?
Because it doesnt fit their agenda when trashing other teams for giving up yards to lesser opponents.
You should know by now, every bama fan will only use stats to further their own agenda.
ETA: my bad, that was an auburn fan you were replying to. Still the same sentiment applies- stats mean nothing if it doesnt further a fan's agenda. Usually its the bama fans agendas that are in need of bolstering with stats.
This post was edited on 10/31/13 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:05 pm to Hugh McElroy
Sign of the times, man. O tempora o mores. We no longer have the patience to actually think before we click a link.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:08 pm to Hugh McElroy
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1 Florida 4.64
2 Alabama 4.81
3 LSU 5.10
4 Missouri 5.17
5 Miss 5.40
6 South Carolina 5.47
7 Mississippi State 5.51
8 Vanderbilt 5.55
9 Georgia 5.58
10 Auburn 5.67
Bolded are teams with more losses than 1...points are the only thing that matter.
This post was edited on 10/31/13 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:10 pm to lsufan31
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Usually its the bama fans agendas that are in need of bolstering with stats.
Unless by "stats" you mean crystal balls, Bama fans are probably the least in need of using stats to bolster an agenda.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:11 pm to parkjas2001
Um, Mizzou doesn't have more losses than one.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:12 pm to SB in KC
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Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:13 pm to Hugh McElroy
Actually, this stat can be skewed quite easily. I would probably incorporate it with third down conversion %.
A team that gives up few yards per play, but a decent to high third down conversion rate, probably gives up the same number of yards every play. Meaning teams still get a decent number of third and short plays that have a higher chance of success.
A team with a low third down conversion rate, on the other hand, is more likely forcing third and long situations. Giving up 6 yards on third and 8 still stops the drive, but over the three plays the opposing team gained 8 yards. That would immediately increase the average per play from 1 yard per snap to 2.67 yards per snap.
For example, LSU gives up 19.6 first downs per game to Alabama's 14.25. Opponents have only converted 29.5% of third downs against Alabama, but 38.3% against LSU.
Not to mention penalties, where that same third and long can end up a third and short with an offsides penalty, but a third and short is now a first down.
So, unfortunately, it's not a terribly useful stat without context if you're measuring teams that are close to each other in that stat. It is useful for looking at the top and bottom extremes, however.
A team that gives up few yards per play, but a decent to high third down conversion rate, probably gives up the same number of yards every play. Meaning teams still get a decent number of third and short plays that have a higher chance of success.
A team with a low third down conversion rate, on the other hand, is more likely forcing third and long situations. Giving up 6 yards on third and 8 still stops the drive, but over the three plays the opposing team gained 8 yards. That would immediately increase the average per play from 1 yard per snap to 2.67 yards per snap.
For example, LSU gives up 19.6 first downs per game to Alabama's 14.25. Opponents have only converted 29.5% of third downs against Alabama, but 38.3% against LSU.
Not to mention penalties, where that same third and long can end up a third and short with an offsides penalty, but a third and short is now a first down.
So, unfortunately, it's not a terribly useful stat without context if you're measuring teams that are close to each other in that stat. It is useful for looking at the top and bottom extremes, however.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:14 pm to parkjas2001
Schedules mean everything with this stat. If you have played 5-6 Spread Offense, then plays and the yardage will be skew to the higher end, especially if you run a similar offense. If you play 5-6 power running teams, then the number of plays and yardage will be lower, but may still have an average record.
Posted on 10/31/13 at 12:16 pm to lsufan31
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Usually it's the Bama fans agendas that are in need of bolstering with stats.
Jesus, some of you are really that far gone, I guess. 
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