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Is Florida ultimately responsible for the utter demise of Tennessee football???
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:21 am
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:21 am
Obviously we've beaten those poor bastards 9 years straight.....going for 10 in a row today (yes, I count 04).
But was Fulmer losing 5 straight to UF and getting out scored 120+ to 40 something the reason he got fired?
Tennessee fired Phil Fulmer, a decent enough man who was born in Tennessee, played for UT, and coached at UT for a slimy weasel named Kiffen. Wow, what a fail that was
The point of my rambling is that ut would not be in this position if Phil was still in charge, UF is the reason Phil got canned, thus UF is the reason ut absolutely sucks donkey dick now and probably forever. Will they ever beat Florida ever again? Sure....might even happen today, but ut football will never be relevant ever again, and the university of Florida is the reason why.
But was Fulmer losing 5 straight to UF and getting out scored 120+ to 40 something the reason he got fired?
Tennessee fired Phil Fulmer, a decent enough man who was born in Tennessee, played for UT, and coached at UT for a slimy weasel named Kiffen. Wow, what a fail that was
The point of my rambling is that ut would not be in this position if Phil was still in charge, UF is the reason Phil got canned, thus UF is the reason ut absolutely sucks donkey dick now and probably forever. Will they ever beat Florida ever again? Sure....might even happen today, but ut football will never be relevant ever again, and the university of Florida is the reason why.
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:23 am to NorthshoreTiger76
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no LSU was
Yep. 2001
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:25 am to UFownstSECsince1950
I will lol if Tennessee beats Florida today.
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:27 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Didn't they beat y'all in 2005.....the year they went 5-6.....didn't even make a bowl game......and beat LSU in Tiger Stadium
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:28 am to hg
Of course you will, cause you secretly like UF. You have a little crush...awww, that's cute
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:29 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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Didn't they beat y'all in 2005.....the year they went 5-6.....didn't even make a bowl game......and beat LSU in Tiger Stadium
Right after Katrina jackass. Blew a 21p lead. Was rescheduled to a Monday. Didn't lose again until the SECCG(UGA)...without a bye week no less and chaos all around. Miles first year too.
This post was edited on 9/21/13 at 8:43 am
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:31 am to UFownstSECsince1950
You are overstating the relevance of UF. The volunteers will be back
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:32 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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going for 10 in a row today (yes, I count 04).
Nope. no matter what your reasoning, I am pretty sure all official records show Tennessee won the 2004 game.
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UF is the reason Phil got canned,
Again. No. If you would check Fullmer's record last 4 years he coached was:
2005 5-6
2006 9-4
2007 10-4
2008 5-7
I'm pretty sure it was his record that got him fired. And, unless Florida managed to schedule them several times during those years, Florida might have had a hand in his firing, but certainly was not the reason he was fired.
More Florida hyperbole and narcissism.
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:35 am to UFownstSECsince1950
To Hell with Tennessee. Who cares who pulled the trigger as long as the bastard is dead.
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Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:37 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Only thing Florida is responsible for is losing to Miami. Weak arse program.
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:39 am to hg
Tennessee is due for a big win. UT was embarrassed last week and may come in with a chip on their shoulder. Of course, after Florida laid an egg against Miami, I would caution UF to actually win this game before they start beating their chest. I'd take Tennessee +15 1/2
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:42 am to UFownstSECsince1950
I don't think so. UT won a lot while still getting beat by UF.
I really think the 2001 SECCG was the beginning of the end of that UT run. They were bound for a NCG date. Walking around with orange roses. Up 17-7 or something at halftime. And just got mauled from there. From afar, the program never seemed the same after that. Yes I know they won the east after that but it just seemed that they lost more than a game that day.
I really think the 2001 SECCG was the beginning of the end of that UT run. They were bound for a NCG date. Walking around with orange roses. Up 17-7 or something at halftime. And just got mauled from there. From afar, the program never seemed the same after that. Yes I know they won the east after that but it just seemed that they lost more than a game that day.
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:44 am to danfraz
CMR & UGA are responsible...CMR cut off the 5* pipeline that UT had in Atlanta & N. Ga. when he came in & piggybacked off of Donnans 2000 win with the hobnail boot game & Richt winning 4 of his 1st 5 vs UT...
Since Richt arrived in Athens the only players of consequence that UT has pulled outta Ga. since 2001 are Eric Berry(a great one) & Da'Rick who was a bust... a ton of their best mid-late 90's players were from Ga....
Since Richt arrived in Athens the only players of consequence that UT has pulled outta Ga. since 2001 are Eric Berry(a great one) & Da'Rick who was a bust... a ton of their best mid-late 90's players were from Ga....
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:51 am to UFownstSECsince1950
No.
Bama got back to hardcore cheating, and UGA and Carolina got better,not allowing us to take recruits from those areas.
I'm not sure why you'd point to a program also in major decline as the reason?
Bama got back to hardcore cheating, and UGA and Carolina got better,not allowing us to take recruits from those areas.
I'm not sure why you'd point to a program also in major decline as the reason?
Posted on 9/21/13 at 9:03 am to CountryVolFan
UT used to pluck 2 or 3 top recruits from SC every year under Fulmer...they don't anymore. We've also gotten a lot better...so no...we are also heavily involved with their demise.
Posted on 9/21/13 at 9:07 am to hg
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I will lol if Tennessee beats Florida today.
And UT fans will quickly proclaim rockey top is back! (for real this time!!)
Posted on 9/21/13 at 9:42 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Not sure who is ultimately responsible for the utter demise of Tennessee football, but Muschamp is ultimately responsible for the demise of Florida football.
Posted on 9/21/13 at 10:03 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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Is Florida ultimately responsible for the utter demise of Tennessee football???
No.
More than any single factor, the demise of Tenn football can be traced back to more egalitarian media deals and greater media exposure for all programs.
Back in the old days, back before NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma, there were only a few college games on each week. Helmet teams got the best shots at these spots, which became a re-enforcement mechanism for the position of these teams in the pecking order via recruiting. Tennessee benefitted from this greatly to stay football royalty year-after-year.
Even after the court case, there were only a few distribution platforms for college football. In the 90's even ESPN2 wasn't an overflow station, it was originally created to be a youth football station. You had NBC, CBS, ABC, ESPN and that was basically it. Elite teams still had a degree of insulation due to this situation.
Then in the 2000's exposure boomed. We got ESPN2 as spillover, ESPN U, Fox Sports, and now conference networks. Almost every Big 5 program gets almost all their games on TV, and the exposure advantage for being a helmet team was almost completely lost (except Texas with its LHN, but that is a very unique scenario Tenn can't copy).
This shift in exposure has changed the game to a point where local talent really matters (because talent no longer HAS TO go to a tOSU or Tenn to get seen on TV). If you don't have local talent, you have to sell sexy, like Oregon, which many helmet teams are too proud to do.
In this era Tenn let go of its successful coach, not realizing this shift in the media culture. By losing the coach they lost the little connection to the past that made the program sexy- a winning history. Without tons of local talent or any sex appeal, Tenn's program quickly fell on hard times.
Now Tenn was stuck in this middle ground. They didn't have the sway anymore to hire a sexy coach, the route many helmet teams use to survive in this era. To get back on top they had to beat either sexier teams or teams with much better local talent. To make matters worse Tenn had entitled fans that didn't want to change too much, as they felt as football royalty the world should just continue to bow to them.
What Tenn football needed was a reality check, which it got with Dooley. Now we have Butch who is given MUCH more freedom to modernize the program and get some of the sexy back, because Tenn fans deep down know that the "Oregon of the SEC" route instead of clinging to tradition is their best shot. And so far early results are pretty good.
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