Nate Newton advice for JFF

After a fine NFL career didn't he become a drug smuggler?

...and hook him up with some good weed.

yeah, honestly I don't care what Newton has to say, but in this case, it's time we all realize that Manziel, despite being our QB, is getting a lot of the heat by his own doing. Manziel acts like all this attention is a cross to bear when he's bringing it on himself. It's not us against the world. He and he alone can make it go away. There's nothing we can do about it and taking offense as fans seems hypersensitive.

He's a young guy without a lot of perspective and seems out of touch. One minute he complains about the attention he receives and how he can't go out in public. The next he's posting pictures of himself and some pop icon playing golf. How can you really complain when you are the one fueling it? He'll mature, but until he does, there are going to be plenty more Nate Newton types giving him "advice." This all probably goes with the territory of being a 20-year old with a sudden rush of fame.

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I forgot which of our fans said it last week, I think it was ether Fawx or Westcoast, but I've pretty much accepted him as a means to an end. I'll never hold him in the same regard as guys like Von, Dat and Swope who were and continue to be great representatives for the school and love all things A&M. It is what it is. He's fun as hell to watch though and I'm still glad he's on our team in the end. If he grows up some this year I could certainly change my tune as well /rant

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I don't accept him as a means to an end by any means. I think he is a phenomenal player and athlete, he has charm, and his off the field antics are mild and tame compared to some things players have done that haven' received near the negativity Johnny has received because of tweets and poppin bottles. Everyone seems to need an extreme opinion on him. I will always act like I love him to an extreme, but it is the fact is he's an awesome player, and that's really all I want from him, or any other player. Do I love that Von ends every interview with a thanks and gig em and probably gets brought to tears over all things Aggie? Of course... it makes him one of my favorite players when you couple it with his talent, and more intesified SOLELY BECAUSE OF THE TALENT. There are far more people, with an even greater love of A&M, and I couldn't give two SHITS about because they can't play football... but it is funny you mention Von. The antics Von pulled as a freshman? He could have gone to jail... Far far far worse than ANYTHING Johnny has done, and a lot of that is kept under wraps, but equally unimportant to my life. Would I want my kids looking up to THOSE things? No. Would I want them loving all things Von the Football player? Of course... But no one is perfect, and to expect perfection out of someone is dumb. Will you REALLY care in 5 years about Johnny's tattoo? What if Vince Young got an Aggie one on some random spring break trip? Who fricking cares? Everyone is so dramatic about his shite, even himself. But no. I think he is an awesome representative of the University. He won a fricking Heisman.

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I don't think my view is that extreme. I don't give a shite that he got a tattoo or did any of those off field things, him complaining about the attention is what kind of bothers me when he clearly does things for that exact attention. It's just immature is all, but I was immature as shite when I was 19 or 20. I'm not trying villainize him or place blame on him if its coming across that way. I love watching him play football and at the end of the day I'm glad he represents our school.

I am well aware of what Von did in his early days in school as I'm sure many Aggies who partied during that time in CS are. The difference is that Von matured and left it in the past. I'm afraid if Manziel leaves after this year he won't ever have that chance and it will carry on into the NFL(even if his actions are much more innocent than Von's were).

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"Means to and end" implies something different to me... like there is this overshadowing negative element, but his positives outweigh it. I don't see the negative aspects of Johnny. What are they? He isn't Theodore Cleaver or Richie Cunningham? He is Instagram straight flexin? I'm just a bit oblivious to why the cockiness of a college QB, and first freshman Heisman to boot, should bother me.

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I'm just a bit oblivious to why the cockiness of a college QB, and first freshman Heisman to boot, should bother me.

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There's a big difference between cockiness and immaturity. It may be cliched, but he isn't a WR or a DE, and to be able to lead and gain respect on a new team in the future he can't be as dramatic as he is right now.

The "means to an end" thing I feel mostly because I think he feels that way about A&M. He sees it as a means to getting to the next level, which is fine with me and doesn't bother me like it probably does with some people. I realize there are probably tons of football players we recruit and sign who don't give a shite about the history of the school or anything, just like there are many regular students who feel that way.

The guys who were standouts and also love A&M back are the players who have a real special place and there's only a few from our era.

Trying not to TA it up in here, just the way I see it and maybe I'm dead wrong.

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The "means to an end" thing I feel mostly because I think he feels that way about A&M. He sees it as a means to getting to the next level, which is fine with me and doesn't bother me like it probably does with some people.

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I think this is such a weird position, and I don't understand it at all. I might be completely off base, but I don't understand how aspirations of the NFL, negate a love for Texas A&M. It may be that way, but I am not in to psychoanalyzing people on that level. Plenty of people have left as soon as possible and don't get labeled, "this guy was immature and just using A&M as a means to an end". He wants to leave early... so what? I just don't get how you can form, in what in my mind is a crazy extreme opinion, but I have no idea... honestly you might be right. I just don't think I have any where near the information to get to that conclusion.

I don't have enough information either. Just a feeling I have. Its not necessarily that he will leave early. Its that he talks quite often about leaving in one form or another and often is not in CS or around A&M unless he needs to be.

I might be completely wrong, and I'm only speculating and thinking about shite like this because its the offseason.

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and Charlie Manson? hyperbole much?

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You're talking about a guy caught transporting close to 400 lb of pot, the second time 5 weeks after his first wakeup call when he was well on his way to a prison sentence, as if he just made an error in judgement, and accusing me of hyperbole? Alrighty then.

I don't know anything about Von's Freshman year exploits. I do know we've had plenty of players before who were straight up mercenaries who did far worse stuff than Johnny.

What I do not and will never understand is the need to instantly notify the world of his exploits and emotions via Twitter/Instagram. Saturday night you find out you got a stupid ticket? OK, gripe to whoever's sitting next to you and move on.