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re: Sumlin says he was offered an NFL head coaching gig but turned it down
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:29 pm to aggressor
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:29 pm to aggressor
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He pulls off a Natty this year and he gets bumped to Miles/Saban type money.
Yeah and the national championship is pretty much in the bag for A&M at this point.
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Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:30 pm to JustGetItRight
...plus Spurrier to Washington.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:30 pm to aggressor
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Sumlin will continue to get NFL interest every year because he is black. The NFL has an interview policy that they have to interview minority coaches and he is easily one of the best candidates out there. That isn't to say he doesn't merit the attention regardless of skin color but it does make him more likely to get the call.
He is attractive to NFL teams though because he is highly organized and very good with the media. He also is a strong X's and O's coach who has a strong reputation for hiring quality assistants and developing them. That's what NFL teams want.
That said, I would be surprised if he left. A&M will be able to pay him almost as much as an NFL team, esp if he continues to win. He pulls off a Natty this year and he gets bumped to Miles/Saban type money. You don't spend $450 mill on a new stadium and lose your golden boy coach over a few mill.
More than that though, Sumlin doesn't really fit the profile. He has never played or coached a day in the NFL. He clearly loves working with young men and teaching them and is a highly enthusiastic recruiter. He has small children at home and a college coach has a lot more of a family life than a pro coach. The NFL is a 365 Day job and far more intense. Just ask Steve Spurrier. You also rarely get to be the GM so you are at the mercy of someone else on player decisions.
At A&M he also has the opportunity to not only be treated like a God if he continues to win but maintaining that winning is much easier than at the NFL level. Why? NFL teams are built for parity, College teams allow for advantages in recruiting and facilities. If he builds it then it will be much easier to maintain in College Station than in the NFL with salary caps, free agency, and the draft set up to give the worst teams the highest picks. In college football the rich just get richer.
The only reason I see him leaving is if he just wants to climb that next mountain. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. At A&M though he has a chance to be THE COACH, not just of today but all time. He can be an icon where they build statues of him and name streets after him. That's much more difficult to achieve in the NFL.
I agree.
...oh, and...
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:31 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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If only it were that simple. Most coaches aren't Bill Snyder. As a general rule they want to give the NFL a shot.
Oregon's as good as any west coast job, yet Kelly took the Philly job.
Nick Saban left LSU and it's fertile recruiting base for Miami. If he'd been at Alabama at that point in his career (and having the success he's having now), he would have still taken the Dolphins job.
Pete Carroll won 2 titles in 9 years but left USC for Seattle.
That's three right off the top of my head that were in ultra stable situations where success on a large scale was pretty much assured.
Sumlin my retire at aTm, but don't be a bit surprised if he has to scratch that NFL itch.
Except two out of the three examples left their college HC jobs to avoid impending NCAA sanctions, so they weren't actually leaving stable situations.
Im not going to argue that Sumlin will never leave A&M because I have no clue. I don't think he will leave due to money, instability, etc. If he goes, it will be solely because he wants to be an NFL HC.
There are many examples of college HCs who had a chance to go to the NFL and never did as well.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:32 pm to gatordmb89
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Not sure why he would lie about it. I think it is probably true.
Coaches have huge incentive to stretch the truth in these situations.. You want to make yourself look as sought after as possible. Tubs was notorious for that.
I have no doubt in my mind that he was contacted about the possibility, but I don't believe for one second he was actually offered the position.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:32 pm to RebFeBrees
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Pete Carroll won 2 titles in 9 years but left USC for Seattle.
Let's be honest...NCAA troubles helped push this along and not so sure it didn't help push Kelly into the NFL as well.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:34 pm to gnarkill1529
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nobody is reading that shite post except your jizz jar filling atm buddies.
Or people who don't need to move their mouths when reading.
And what is a "hopless" optimist? Is that like a paraplegic who maintains a sunny disposition?
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:37 pm to Bob Ag
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There are many examples of college HCs who had a chance to go to the NFL
I don't recall Osborne, Bryant, Paterno, Bowden ever having designs on NFL. Not sure if they were offered but during their hayday I'd imagine they could have stepped up. Nowadays college HC's are paid much better than back then. I guess it'll depend on what makes Sumlin tick. If he enjoys working with young men, being a role model and positive influence to them maybe he'll stay forever.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:38 pm to Mirthomatic
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:43 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
But Jerry Jones can pay more than any college. Not to mention, if Romo continues to be Romo, Jones would love to draft JFF.
My opinion is, Dallas goes looking for a new coach(Sumlin) as soon as JFF declares for the NFL
My opinion is, Dallas goes looking for a new coach(Sumlin) as soon as JFF declares for the NFL
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:45 pm to Tiger Live2
I very seriously doubt Sumlin is going to leave due to money, especially when that means working for Jerry Jones. A&M will shell out the money if he brings home a title. Plus, Sumlin is not really in the mold of the typical Jerry Jones hire.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:49 pm to Bob Ag
Jones would prolly offer 3 times what he is making now. Plus with the opportunity to draft JFF. To get fans excited, Jones would prolly offer a lot. Even willingness to trade up to draft JFF. Plus Sumlin would still get to stay in TX.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:50 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Let's be honest...NCAA troubles helped push this along and not so sure it didn't help push Kelly into the NFL as well.
NCAA problems may have been part of Pete's thought process, but Kelly (who probably did worse things than Carroll) was 100% safe.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:53 pm to Tiger Live2
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Jones would prolly offer 3 times what he is making now.
Jerry can offer anything he wants. What he can't offer is a good GM to support Sumlin. How many coaches have turned down Jerry's advances based solely on the certain career suicide the HC job stands to offer?
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:55 pm to JustGetItRight
I agree, I think Petey was the only one that bailed. Saban, Spurrier, Kelly just wanted to step up and give it a shot.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:55 pm to jbond
If they keep having success, Sumlin will be in the NFL within the next 3 or 4 years.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:57 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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If they keep having success, Sumlin will be in the NFL within the next 3 or 4 years.
He better when...er...win something before he goes.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 1:00 pm to KaiserSoze99
I'm just saying. There is good chance Sumlin does leave for the NFL. Especially if Kelly does well in Philly. None of us know for sure, but you don't see as many 20-30 year coaches at the same place in college anymore.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 1:02 pm to Stonehog
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Yeah and the national championship is pretty much in the bag for A&M at this point.
I'm glad we're all on the same page.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 1:04 pm to KaiserSoze99
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