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Will SEC ever be like the Southwest Conference

Posted on 5/30/13 at 7:56 am
Posted by EricFromSpringfield
Springfield, TN
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Posted on 5/30/13 at 7:56 am
Saw this the other day and thought it was interesting. Hopefully it'll never happen. We'll see.

How The SEC Will Fall And Become The Next Southwest Conference --LINK
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:00 am to
SWC footprint = AR + TX

SEC footprint = AR + AL + FL + GA + KY + LA + MS + MO + SC + TN + TX

Too much money in the bigger footprint to let it fall. SEC may be TBTF.
Posted by Dawg in Beaumont
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:02 am to
Some of the premises in that article are absurd. He writes about future events in this way:
"what if Texas, Clemson and Georgia Tech got so upset with A&M, South Carolina and Georgia that they ratted them out to the NCAA for cheating!"

Does he think that currently those schools wouldn't turn in their arch rival if they could? How will that be anything new in the future?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:03 am to
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Does he think that currently those schools wouldn't turn in their arch rival if they could? How will that be anything new in the future?


Better yet he's operating under the assumption that they're not cheating themselves and would end up putting themselves in hot water.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42557 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:04 am to
It had to be terrible being an Arky fan during the swc yrs. Every team you played had Texas across their jersey.
Posted by LSU316
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:06 am to
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Hopefully it'll never happen.


We won't. If SMU would have gotten caught 10-15 years later the SWC would never have folded and SMU probably would have gotten probation, lost schollies, no bowl, and no TV but definitely would not have gotten the "death penalty". The money by that time was too much and still is even to a greater extent today.
Posted by dawginar
Member since Jan 2012
966 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:11 am to
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It had to be terrible being an Arky fan during the swc yrs. Every team you played had Texas across their jersey.



NEVER terrible to be from ARKANSAS. Beating texas teams never gets old. aggy what's the series record?
Posted by hogminer
Bella Vista, AR.
Member since Apr 2010
9625 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:14 am to
quote:

It had to be terrible being an Arky fan during the swc yrs. Every team you played had Texas across their jersey.


It was pretty gross. 8 decades of texas arrogance engrained the "texas hate" in most Arkies.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70079 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:14 am to
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NEVER terrible to be from ARKANSAS. Beating texas teams never gets old. aggy what's the series record?


I think he meant dealing with the people from Texas all the time. That would definitely get tiresome to me.
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
13840 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:14 am to
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aggy what's the series record?


Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
70079 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:16 am to
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Better yet he's operating under the assumption that they're not cheating themselves and would end up putting themselves in hot water.


It would be the height of hypocrisy for UT to turn in A&M or Clemson to turn in USCe.

It's basically mutally assured distruction. And assistant coaches see each other breaking rules all the time. But they won't say anything, because you never know the next person you may have to ask for a job.
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
13840 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:20 am to
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It would be the height of hypocrisy for UT to turn in A&M.


They did, several times. They also turned in SMU and OU. One of their employees was the head of the infractions committee.
This post was edited on 5/30/13 at 8:30 am
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:41 am to
Wow, that was a horrific article. So essentially the idea is that the SEC is going to get taken down by the NCAA for so much rampant cheating that the league folds? Yet he completely ignores the fact the SEC is the LEAST penalized league by the NCAA over the last decade and it isn't close.

Does the SEC cheat? Sure, just like everyone else. The key is that NCAA fears the SEC and the SEC figured out a while back that the juice isn't worth the squeeze to have the NCAA destroy programs, all that does is kill everyone's bottomline. For that matter, the SEC is now so powerful that if the NCAA did try to come down hard on them that it could actually legitimately threaten to leave the NCAA entirely.

Beyond all of that though, cheating isn't why the SWC broke up. The SWC broke up because Texas couldn't handle competition and there just wasn't enough money to go around with 8 schools in one state (4 of which were private). It simply became outdated.
Posted by agswin
The Republic of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
4339 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:43 am to
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aggy what's the series record?


Arkansas has never beaten A&M in the SEC. That is the only record that counts.

Why do you ask?
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
37574 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:50 am to
quote:

It would be the height of hypocrisy for UT to turn in A&M or Clemson to turn in USCe.

It's basically mutally assured distruction. And assistant coaches see each other breaking rules all the time. But they won't say anything, because you never know the next person you may have to ask for a job.


I agree completely, but then what does that say about Phil Fulmer and what he did to Bama?
Posted by Jma313
Member since Aug 2010
5157 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:53 am to
No. Recruits now post everything on social media. Eric Dickerson new z-28 Camaro in the 80's would have been all over that shite
This post was edited on 5/30/13 at 9:38 am
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 8:54 am to
quote:

Some of the premises in that article are absurd. He writes about future events in this way:
"what if Texas, Clemson and Georgia Tech got so upset with A&M, South Carolina and Georgia that they ratted them out to the NCAA for cheating!"



Haha, yeah, UTa is going to accuse other people of cheating, b/c they run a pristine program...that author is nutty.
Posted by lsutothetop
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Member since Jul 2008
11323 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 9:02 am to
Have you seen what Fulmer's doing these days? His tenure at Tennessee was successful by any serious measure and he's been out of the coaching game ever since that ended in 2008. The guy's a consultant at Eastern Tennessee State and got passed over by Charlie Strong for the Louisville job.

Sure, I'd bet it's not directly related to the cheating episode with Alabama, but I'd also bet that hasn't helped him either. It's not like the guy got fired at Tennessee and is now coaching at Georgia or something
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
13840 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 9:12 am to
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No. Recruits now post everything on social media. Barry sanders new z-28 Camaro in the 80's would have been all over that shite


I think you were thinking of this:

Posted by Crompdaddy8
Jimmy Rustler
Member since Nov 2009
10569 posts
Posted on 5/30/13 at 9:14 am to
SEC dominance isn't going away anytime soon.

but who knows what'll happen in the long run, say 30~40 years later. it wasn't very long ago when Auburn got snubbed out of NC game by USC/OU. Miami, OU, Ohio State, FSU, etc dominated in the early 2000's. SEC wasn't that strong in the 90's either.
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