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Arkansas' or Arkansas's.....which one is grammatically correct?

Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:14 pm
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:14 pm
I am adamant that the possessive form of the word Arkansas is Arkansas'. However, it has come to my attention that a slight majority of Arkansans believe that Arkansas's is grammatically correct.

Make your case.

Let's end the debate today.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 8:29 pm
Posted by NBamaAlum
Soul Patrolville
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:15 pm to
R-Kansas'
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:15 pm to
I grew up learning that it was S' not s's but last I heard both were technically grammatically correct.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:15 pm to
multiple pages
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:15 pm to
Arkansas's looks more normal to me. I don't think I've ever seen somebody write "Arkansas'".
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

R-Kansas'
Posted by BobMayonnaise
Memphis
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:16 pm to
Arkansas'
Posted by blacknblu
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

Arkansans


There's your problem - ask the Arkansawyers
Posted by Fipitan
Bayou
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:17 pm to
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multiple pages


Of terribleness.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

last I heard both were technically grammatically correct.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

I grew up learning that it was S' not s's but last I heard both were technically grammatically correct.



Same here, it was taught all the way through comp in college as s', but apparently s's is also grammatically correct and is being taught today.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:19 pm to
it ends with an s...therefore it's Arkansas'
Posted by Mizzeaux
Worshington
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:21 pm to
I'm guessing it's supposed to be s's since the word ends in a W sound instead of an S sound.

However, that's fricked up. So it's Arkansas'.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:21 pm to
Arkansaw's
Posted by Queen City Cock
Charlotte, NC
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:21 pm to
I think it's "'s" unless we're saying that Arkansas is a plural noun or if it involves more than one Arkansas.

Frankly the idea of more than one Arkansas is scary.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:22 pm to
Here is my take:

The reason a slight majority are in favor of Arkansas's versus Arkansas' is because of the pronunciation of the word.

However, the pronunciation is incorrect. Originally, the word Arkansas was pronounced Ar-KAN-sas. In 1881, the Arkansas General Assembly began to recognize the alternate pronunciation, Ark-an-saw, even though the pronunciation was not proper.

Essentially, the entire state of Arkansas agreed to embrace a grammatically incorrect pronunciation of their state. Therefore, if today's "experts" consider Arkansas's to be the correct possessive form of the word, they fail to understand that the pronunciation of the word is improper which means that they are wrong.

It's Arkansas'.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 12:25 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42346 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:22 pm to
Apparently there are more rules to this, rules that didn't exist or were not taught during my academic career.

Forming Possessives of Nouns

To see if you need to make a possessive, turn the phrase around and make it an "of the..." phrase. For example:

the boy's hat = the hat of the boy
three days' journey = journey of three days
If the noun after "of" is a building, an object, or a piece of furniture, then no apostrophe is needed!

room of the hotel = hotel room
door of the car = car door
leg of the table = table leg
Once you've determined whether you need to make a possessive, follow these rules to create one.

add 's to the singular form of the word (even if it ends in -s):
the owner's car
James's hat (James' hat is also acceptable. For plural, proper nouns that are possessive, use an apostrophe after the 's': "The Eggleses' presentation was good." The Eggleses are a husband and wife consultant team.)
add 's to the plural forms that do not end in -s:
the children's game
the geese's honking
add ' to the end of plural nouns that end in -s:
two cats' toys
three friends' letters
the countries' laws
add 's to the end of compound words:
my brother-in-law's money
add 's to the last noun to show joint possession of an object:
Todd and Anne's apartment

LINK
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 12:28 pm
Posted by Bama Bird
Member since Dec 2011
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:24 pm to
Purdue University Online Writing Lab (or Purdue OWL) is one of the most respected and reputable grammar reference sites on the internet. It is cited by hundreds of other Universities around the country. According to Purdue OWL, you add " 's " to any singular possessive words, despite whether or not it ends in an "s". LINK

Whether it looks awkward, or whether or not a majority of people use Arkansas', is irrelevant. Arkansas's is the grammatically correct version of the possessive form of Arkansas.
Posted by Queen City Cock
Charlotte, NC
Member since May 2013
129 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Purdue University Online Writing Lab (or Purdue OWL) is one of the most respected and reputable grammar reference sites on the internet. It is cited by hundreds of other Universities around the country. According to Purdue OWL, you add " 's " to any singular possessive words, despite whether or not it ends in an "s". LINK

Whether it looks awkward, or whether or not a majority of people use Arkansas', is irrelevant. Arkansas's is the grammatically correct version of the possessive form of Arkansas.


Posted by I Ham That I Ham
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble
Member since Jan 2012
10773 posts
Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:25 pm to
Already been settled by the state. It's "Arkansas's" since the last s is silent.
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