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Article from Ohio State blog; truth or butthurt?
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:06 pm
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CONFERENCE MEDIAN SPENDING PER STUDENT, 2010
B1G $19,225
Big East $17,620
ACC $15,360
PAC Ten $14,217
Big XII $13,988
SEC $13,390
FBS Average $13,628
CONFERENCE MEDIAN SPENDING PER STUDENT, 2010
B1G $19,225
Big East $17,620
ACC $15,360
PAC Ten $14,217
Big XII $13,988
SEC $13,390
FBS Average $13,628
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Only Illinois and Iowa still attach fees to student tuition to help fund athletics. Every single other department is self-funded. Huge, mostly-full stadiums help pay those bills. The Big Ten Network is extremely helpful. Smart investments and licensing agreements are as well. These are all things that the SEC has too, yet every public school except Alabama, Arkansas and LSU charges its students - who are already the least-funded among all major conferences, even ranking below the FBS average - fees to pay for its well-funded athletes. Alabama and Arkansas take millions out of their own institutional funding to cover athletics' costs, which means America's third and fifth-poorest states use tax money to pay for, basically, college football. Only LSU's athletic department is completely subsidy-free.
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:10 pm to Springfield XD
That is utterly complete bullshite. Alabama athletics pours money into academics and facilities for academics.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:14 pm to Springfield XD
LSU's athletic department has been giving millions to the university.
Bama is win at all costs so I wouldn't be surprised if they set aside some money for athletics, but that's just the culture there. If the football team is doing well, the university is doing well. I don't see anything wrong with it. Bama is a good public university so it's a moot point, really.
Just butthurt, pointless commentary.
Bama is win at all costs so I wouldn't be surprised if they set aside some money for athletics, but that's just the culture there. If the football team is doing well, the university is doing well. I don't see anything wrong with it. Bama is a good public university so it's a moot point, really.
Just butthurt, pointless commentary.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:16 pm to Springfield XD
I knew all but like 8 public schools received something from their state governments for athletics. I thought A&M was one of them. I wonder why we got that 9 thousand... Tax write off for some loss or something? Weird number. Like 90% of schools get figures in the millions.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:16 pm to Springfield XD
Without reading the article, anything written by the B1G about the SEC is butthurt AND bullshite. FYI.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:18 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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That is utterly complete bullshite. Alabama athletics pours money into academics and facilities for academics.
Yeah but they have been subsidized and stuff since the olden days. Most schools do it. The states aren't losing money, and Bama most definitely pays back more than they take. It is usually something weird, like tax incentives, title ix related stuff and operational costs I think.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:21 pm to Springfield XD
From an economic perspective, that snippet you provided looks like the author has completely and totally missed making any real point.
How things are allocated from an accountant's point of view does not determine the underlying economic reality of things.
In reality, it's absurd to say that ANY college football program is self-funded, and it's also true that a CFB program need not be in the black in order for it to be a wise PR investment for the university. Finally, how tuition charges are officially tabulated is totally ad hoc and pointless. What matters is only the reality of how much students actually have to pay to the school overall in order to obtain an education.
How things are allocated from an accountant's point of view does not determine the underlying economic reality of things.
In reality, it's absurd to say that ANY college football program is self-funded, and it's also true that a CFB program need not be in the black in order for it to be a wise PR investment for the university. Finally, how tuition charges are officially tabulated is totally ad hoc and pointless. What matters is only the reality of how much students actually have to pay to the school overall in order to obtain an education.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:22 pm to Springfield XD
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:23 pm to Springfield XD
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Only LSU's athletic department is completely subsidy-free.
print the shirts
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:26 pm to Springfield XD
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Only LSU's athletic department is completely subsidy-free.
One thing the State of Louisiana can feel very good about and LSU fans should be very proud of. Not only are we completly subsidy-free we give millions back to the university.
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Eleven Warriors CONFERENCE MEDIAN SPENDING PER STUDENT, 2010 B1G $19,225 Big East $17,620 ACC $15,360 PAC Ten $14,217 Big XII $13,988 SEC $13,390 FBS Average $13,628
Talk about a pointless stat, just because they spend more money per student doesn't equal automatic better edication. Just ask Detroit public schools, with some of the highest per
student costs in the nation (can't remember exactly but I want to say its around 13k per student per year) and yet one of the most undereducated areas in the nation with over 50% illiteracy.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:29 pm to bigbowe80
Texas A&M with a subsidy of 9 thousand bucks!
Thanks for the new lawnmower
Thanks for the new lawnmower
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:29 pm to tigerfan4120
C'mon shun
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:29 pm to Doc Fenton
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From an economic perspective, that snippet you provided looks like the author has completely and totally missed making any real point.
Absolutely. He's trying to make a point on data that really means nothing. This encompasses ALL athletics, not just football. Alabama's "millions" we get are relatively very low. For example, here are some other numbers....
UAB- $18,750,000
USA- $15,532,273
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:30 pm to Springfield XD
The Alabama Athletic Dept has donated at least a million dollars a year to UA's general fund for the past several years.
Yeah, the article is bullshite. It's lying and giving half-truths.
Yeah, the article is bullshite. It's lying and giving half-truths.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:31 pm to bigbowe80
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One thing the State of Louisiana can feel very good about and LSU fans should be very proud of. Not only are we completly subsidy-free we give millions back to the university.
When people complain about budget cuts and the salaries of the football coaches I just laugh. The only part of the university that is run top notch is the athletic department. The rest of the university is completely disorganized.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:34 pm to higgsBoson
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Yeah, the article is bull shite. It's lying and giving half-truths.
Where is he lying?
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:36 pm to higgsBoson
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Yeah, the article is bull shite. It's lying and giving half-truths.
Where is he lying?
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:36 pm to Springfield XD
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It's because they oversign recruits and chase off the busts. They'll do anything to win. They openly pay for players. They cheat their asses off. They cheat their asses off. They cheat their asses off.
He mad; and an idiot, for that matter
Posted on 5/7/13 at 6:40 pm to Doc Fenton
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From an economic perspective, that snippet you provided looks like the author has completely and totally missed making any real point.
How things are allocated from an accountant's point of view does not determine the underlying economic reality of things.
+1
Not to be condescending in the least bit, but until you truly understand how the money flows through these public institutions, you may not even be getting 1/4 of the story.
College football is big business in many states. Big business always means state legislative influence. Legislative influence always means budgetary shenanigans that lead to figures an author like this can (and will) spin in any light they wish.
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