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re: The SEC home offices in Birmingham ...
Posted on 2/28/13 at 11:43 am to boddagetta
Posted on 2/28/13 at 11:43 am to boddagetta
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Where the frick is this exactly?
As I typed earlier ... meant "Decatur."
The area in the triangle between Athens, Decatur and Huntsville.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 11:44 am to scrooster
What does Healthsouth has to do with the SEC?
This is becoming comical now.. You are just throwing stuff at us..
Might as well bring Seigelman into this
This is becoming comical now.. You are just throwing stuff at us..
Might as well bring Seigelman into this
Posted on 2/28/13 at 11:45 am to MsGarrison
Seigelman rabble rabble rabble
Posted on 2/28/13 at 11:48 am to scrooster
Birmingham is such a shithole. Lived there for 2 years and the only redeeming quality of that place is 5 points/mountain brook/vestavia.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 11:57 am to Patton
The OP finally came full circle and mentioned he is in the process of not getting paid by (Jefferson County) and has brought his complaint to a Sports Message Board, to express his disdain for the Birmingham area and make it into why the SEC should move out.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 11:59 am to MsGarrison
This thread should have been on the SECr.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:11 pm to MsGarrison
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The OP finally came full circle and mentioned he is in the process of not getting paid by (Jefferson County) and has brought his complaint to a Sports Message Board, to express his disdain for the Birmingham area and make it into why the SEC should move out.
Let's be clear. What I did was answer your question honestly and directly. What I also did was include everything, not just that.
Don't make it into something it is not. Crooks and liars and people who do not pay their bills ... I have to deal with them all the time and I always win in the long run. Do I hold a certain disdain for certain things and they way they are being handled in B-ham right now, yes. But that's neither here nor there. B-ham has been less than optimal, on many levels, for the SEC for some time now. Adequate, yes, Optimal, no.
Why should the SEC settle for mediocre?
Better yet, why is the SEC in B-ham anyway? What makes B-ham the center of the SEC universe?
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:14 pm to scrooster
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I always win in the long run
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:22 pm to scrooster
Before the SEC became so grand, they had their offices in Bham.. The first SECCG was played in Bham.. Birmingham is a huge market for college sports, especially Football.. Legion Field was heralded as the "football capitol of the south.l
Auburn and Alabama played games there...
It sucks not to be paid for whatever you may have done, but there are legal ways to go about trying to collect.. The SEC has no issues with the city and the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame will see that the SEC offices get what the want from the city & state
Auburn and Alabama played games there...
It sucks not to be paid for whatever you may have done, but there are legal ways to go about trying to collect.. The SEC has no issues with the city and the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame will see that the SEC offices get what the want from the city & state
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:32 pm to scrooster
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What makes B-ham the center of the SEC universe?
Well, geographically, it pretty much is.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:39 pm to AUCatfish
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Well, geographically, it pretty much is.
Really, how so? Well, actually, I see your point in terms of geographically. That area I alluded to previously would be more apropos, but still, I see your point in a general sort of way.
This post was edited on 2/28/13 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 2/28/13 at 12:43 pm to scrooster
You also have to take Birmingham's status as the industrial center of the South when the SEC offices were set up. It was as important, if not more so, than any other city in the deep South at the time and a logical place to put the SEC.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 6:45 pm to AUCatfish
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You also have to take Birmingham's status as the industrial center of the South when the SEC offices were set up. It was as important, if not more so, than any other city in the deep South at the time and a logical place to put the SEC.
Wait a second .... more important than Atlanta, Memphis, Charlotte, Nashville? I may have to challenge you on that one.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 7:53 pm to scrooster
Using the 1930 census, two years before the league was formed:
Atlanta - 270,366
Birmingham - 259,678
Memphis - 253,143
Nashville - 153,866
Charlotte - 86,675
Without spending my night pulling up industrial output data from the 30's, I can assure you that Birmingham was a very powerful city at the time of the SEC's birth. Even accounting for the Great Depression, the city's output of steel, iron and coal rivaled any industrialized Northern city. Add to that, it's being roughly in the center of all the SEC schools, it was a perfect place to put the office.
Atlanta - 270,366
Birmingham - 259,678
Memphis - 253,143
Nashville - 153,866
Charlotte - 86,675
Without spending my night pulling up industrial output data from the 30's, I can assure you that Birmingham was a very powerful city at the time of the SEC's birth. Even accounting for the Great Depression, the city's output of steel, iron and coal rivaled any industrialized Northern city. Add to that, it's being roughly in the center of all the SEC schools, it was a perfect place to put the office.
Posted on 3/1/13 at 11:27 am to AUCatfish
The problems was the decline of steel and coalmining. Many AAs were put out of work and never got the education/training for the new economy. Add welfare and a major jacking up spending/taxes and you have today's Bham. Drug prohibition hasn't helped either.
Posted on 3/1/13 at 12:01 pm to RollTide4Ever
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The problems was the decline of steel and coalmining.
Add to that the actions of the city council and police department during the civil rights protests in the 50's/60's. Just opinion, but when companies in the North started streaming down south for better weather and a cheaper workforce, the vision of police dogs, water hoses and church bombings probably didn't help Birmingham expand it's industrial base.
Posted on 3/1/13 at 12:24 pm to AUCatfish
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Add to that the actions of the city council and police department during the civil rights protests in the 50's/60's
Agreed. Then when you had a mayor walking the streets with chains around him to dodge a federal criminal probe, it didn't help.
Posted on 3/1/13 at 3:20 pm to AUCatfish
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Using the 1930 census, two years before the league was formed:
Atlanta - 270,366
Birmingham - 259,678
Memphis - 253,143
Nashville - 153,866
Charlotte - 86,675
Without spending my night pulling up industrial output data from the 30's, I can assure you that Birmingham was a very powerful city at the time of the SEC's birth. Even accounting for the Great Depression, the city's output of steel, iron and coal rivaled any industrialized Northern city. Add to that, it's being roughly in the center of all the SEC schools, it was a perfect place to put the office.
You make a good point, but did the SEC actually have a home office in Birmingham before WWII? I know they appointed their first commish in '40 if I remember correctly, but I don't think they actually had offices in Birmingham until '51 or '52 after deciding to locate in Birmingham when Bernie Moore took the position in '48.
Pretty sure Moore wanted the offices to be located in New Orleans, I think that had something to do with his LSU ties, but he compromised on Birmingham when LSU, UT, Ole Miss and Bama all basically agreed that B-ham would be a central location, although no one agreed it would be a neutral location, not even Auburn and especially not Georgia.
Moore was an interesting character. My family now owns some of his old family property, a large piece of it anyways, just outside of Johnson City, Tennessee, also considered by some to be the hometown of Spurrier of course.
Ironic that two of UT's biggest all-time nemesis would come right out of their backyard in Moore and Spurrier. I'm sure LSU fans around here know who Bernie Moore is, regardless of their age.
Posted on 3/1/13 at 3:29 pm to scrooster
This thread.
Kill it with fire.
Kill it with fire.
Posted on 3/1/13 at 3:49 pm to sorantable
Hmm, perhaps Birmingham is on a downhill slide, but I don't really see how any of the problems mentioned in this article specifically and negatively impact the SEC offices. Move the offices to most any large Southern metropolis and you'll be faced with many of the same issues.
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