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"The (playoff) selection committee will probably consist of 14 to 20 people"
Posted on 2/8/13 at 6:57 am
Posted on 2/8/13 at 6:57 am
If Germans RA or post and I'll delete OP
My pessimistic view: Every conference selects there Homer and 4-10 Lou Holtshesezsh.
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BCS conference commissioners provide details on playoff selection committee
By CHUCK CARLTON
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The strongest concept emerging from the meetings... every conference to have a representative with a connection to the league or a member school. ... A secondary group would consist of “football experts,” people with a background and connection to the game...
My pessimistic view: Every conference selects there Homer and 4-10 Lou Holtshesezsh.
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Posted on 2/8/13 at 7:21 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
The REC...uh, I mean, the SEC will pick an impartial representative I'm sure.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 7:26 am to FleshEatingSalsa
mark it down...this selection committee is going to screw shite up so hard
if they put media members (i.e. ESPN workers) on it, it will be a joke
if they put media members (i.e. ESPN workers) on it, it will be a joke
Posted on 2/8/13 at 7:30 am to HailToTheChiz
Yeah, people are going to get super pist at the selection committee no matter what. 10X as pissed as they do at the NCAA one. Maybe 50X. Passions and stakes are much higher in NCAAF.
I would be ok with keeping the BCS formula off computer rankings and polls. I think it would be a better idea and less subject to manipulation and bias.
I would be ok with keeping the BCS formula off computer rankings and polls. I think it would be a better idea and less subject to manipulation and bias.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 7:37 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
I don't know what the magic formula is. Personally, I'd like the AP and FWAA persuaded to participate and vote Tuesday after Championship Saturday. Have coaches vote that day also (I know the Coaches Poll is one of the worst ideas ever but it is the 'Coaches Trophy'). Then take aggregate top 4 for playoff.
I earlier posted an OP with a CBS(?) report stating that the inaugural 3 playoff games will bring in 500 million dollars. 16 or so guys deciding who gets a big cut off half a billion dollars? This is like parking a tanker truck over a bonfire and waiting for the fireworks.
I earlier posted an OP with a CBS(?) report stating that the inaugural 3 playoff games will bring in 500 million dollars. 16 or so guys deciding who gets a big cut off half a billion dollars? This is like parking a tanker truck over a bonfire and waiting for the fireworks.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 7:41 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I would be ok with keeping the BCS formula off computer rankings and polls. I think it would be a better idea and less subject to manipulation and bias.
Bingo!
The small selection committee is a horrible idea. The human polls and to a lesser degree the computers have bias. However, when you have hundreds of voters and multiple computer formulas, each with their own individual and different bias, the cumulative bias of the process is actually decreased. With a larger sample the different biases cancel each other out and you actually end up with with less bias.
Why go from hundreds of voters / formula (i.e., data inputs) to a handful of purported experts? Terrible idea.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 7:46 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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16 or so guys deciding who gets a big cut off half a billion dollars? This is like parking a tanker truck over a bonfire and waiting for the fireworks.
Yep. That is troublesome. No matter what there will be endless conspiracy theories, even if everything is done fairly.
It is just a no win situation if that few decide things.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 7:47 am to elposter
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However, when you have hundreds of voters and multiple computer formulas, each with their own individual and different bias, the cumulative bias of the process is actually decreased. With a larger sample the different biases cancel each other out and you actually end up with with less bias.
Why go from hundreds of voters / formula (i.e., data inputs) to a handful of purported experts? Terrible idea.
Totally agree.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 7:47 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
So when the SEC has 5 teams in the top 5 and 6 or 7 in the top 10 I can assume the SEC will get 1 team into the 4 team playoff.....
Posted on 2/8/13 at 7:50 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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endless conspiracy theories,
No doubt, but in this case I think it will prove true. It isn't like hoops or baseball where everyone and their brother gets invited and the only controversial selections are teams that have practically zero chance of winning it anyway. 4 teams out of 120+....
Posted on 2/8/13 at 7:57 am to NathanL
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So when the SEC has 5 teams in the top 5 and 6 or 7 in the top 10 I can assume the SEC will get 1 team into the 4 team playoff.....
Well, tongue in cheek, but...my understanding is that there is no conference restriction. Also polls and computer rankings can be used as a guide...but there is no mandatory formula. Let's assume AP has 4 SEC teams in top 6. Strictly from a technical view the committee could select all 4...or none.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:18 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
That's way too many people with way too many personal opinions and biases.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:21 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I would be ok with keeping the BCS formula off computer rankings and polls. I think it would be a better idea and less subject to manipulation and bias.
Likewise. For the most part the BCS formula has done a good job of ranking the teams. There's really no reason to change what has been working. The top whatever teams in the BCS rankings go into the playoffs.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:21 am to bigpapamac
Would you rather 200 individuals scattered throughout the country, with little or no contact with each other, or....15 bubba's in a room with a half billion on the table?
Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:44 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Would you rather 200 individuals scattered throughout the country, with little or no contact with each other, or....15 bubba's in a room with a half billion on the table?
After a couple years of the new system, everyone will realize the BCS system was better.
All the BCS needed to do was expand into a 4 team playoff based on final BCS standings and eliminate conference tie-ins. Nothing else was wrong with it.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:03 am to FlukerFlakes
10 of the "14 to 20 people" will be from the state of Alabama.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:25 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
This has potential to be a disaster. The selection committee will cause more drama than the BCS ever did.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:30 am to bigpapamac
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That's way too many people with way too many personal opinions and biases.
Disagree. It's way too few. Everyone has personal opinions and biases. The way to combat that is with a larger and more diverse sample size, not smaller. I'd rather have a combination of 200+ voters combined with 6 independent computer formulas (i.e., the BCS ranking system) than 5 "insiders" or "experts."
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Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:31 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
They are going to frick up hard. That is why 8 teams with confernce champ auto-bids is closer than we think.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:42 am to elposter
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Disagree. It's way too few. Everyone has personal opinions and biases. The way to combat that is with a larger and more diverse sample size, not smaller. I'd rather have a combination of 200+ voters combined with 6 independent computer formulas (i.e., the BCS ranking system) than 5 "insiders" or "experts."
Yep.
They went from a system of 250 voters in Harris (granted there may be bias, but it is ultimately negated due to there being so many from all around the country), 6 100% unbiased computer polls, and the coaches vote (this could have been reworked a little since there could easily be conference biased voting and coaches could vote their own teams up sometimes, but still not too biased overall)
To a system 100% determined by the vote of 14 people alone. If just 7 people have group think, the system is totally compromised. This is completely stupid and as CFB fans, we should all be ashamed the sport has come to this.
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