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re: Hugh Freeze Quote Ayn Rand????
Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:18 pm to aggressor
Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:18 pm to aggressor
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What does her taking SS money have to do with anything? Being opposed to those systems doesn't mean you should disqualify yourself from them when you are FORCED to pay into them for your entire working life. If she tried to follow that logic she also probably couldn't drive on public roads or fly in an airplane in federally regulated airspace because she would be a "hypocrite". It's a ridiculous argument.
And then by that logic no welfare programs are theft or leaching. Everybody pays some sort of tax and since the funding for welfare programs comes from taxes they're just getting back some of what they paid in. I understand that's not a perfect analogy, but in a thread where social security is being compared to a ponzi scheme I think I can be a little loose.
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:25 pm to KaiserSoze99
Right and if you used the stock markets to judge the amount of investments being made in the US you'd notice that currently there is less money being spent out there. There are some problems with this measurement and i'm open to a measurement that you deem better but you'll most likely find they agree with me in that the amount of money being invested has shrunk.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:32 pm to oklahogjr
Don't disagree that less money is being spent. WHY? A lot of people will have varying opinions, but BHO and the policies of the left certainly are NOT helping as far as we can tell. Make conditions better and people with money will invest. Harness greed. Don't suppress it. That's impossible.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:36 pm to BorisJonson
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If you have paid in more than you use, correct. Those making it a lifestyle are leaches.
You can bet your arse I want everything back I have paid into SS, and that isn't being a "leach."
You have an extremely vivid imagination.
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nd then by that logic no welfare programs are theft or leaching.
If you have paid in more than you use, correct. Those making it a lifestyle are leaches.
You can bet your arse I want everything back I have paid into SS, and that isn't being a "leach."
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Everybody pays some sort of tax and since the funding for welfare programs comes from taxes they're just getting back some of what they paid in
You have an extremely vivid imagination.
This post was edited on 2/4/13 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 2/4/13 at 6:01 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
I am totally into hard-core Christian Republican..
"Guns, God and Bitches" - lilwaynevoice
"Guns, God and Bitches" - lilwaynevoice
Posted on 2/4/13 at 6:53 pm to KaiserSoze99
quote:Obama isn't helping anything, the republicans are to busy worrying that Obama is going to do something to actually do anything, and in the mean time we stagnate. We need leader to come forward soon because i'm not sure I've seen one during my lifetime.
WHY? A lot of people will have varying opinions, but BHO and the policies of the left certainly are NOT helping as far as we can tell. Make conditions better and people with money will invest. Harness greed. Don't suppress it. That's impossible.
Maybe you can answer this because it's been my question since this shite started. When we got into the lending crisis and the financial bubble popped why didn't we just bail out the people and let them pay off their loans which in turn doesn't cause massive defaults. Worst case scenario is that it's mismanaged as bad as the bail out we passed is except people got houses.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 7:36 pm to aggressor
And that's probably as close as any Ole Miss football players will get to any Ayn Rand.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 10:50 pm to BorisJonson
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What does her taking SS money have to do with anything? Being opposed to those systems doesn't mean you should disqualify yourself from them when you are FORCED to pay into them for your entire working life. If she tried to follow that logic she also probably couldn't drive on public roads or fly in an airplane in federally regulated airspace because she would be a "hypocrite". It's a ridiculous argument.
And then by that logic no welfare programs are theft or leaching. Everybody pays some sort of tax and since the funding for welfare programs comes from taxes they're just getting back some of what they paid in. I understand that's not a perfect analogy, but in a thread where social security is being compared to a ponzi scheme I think I can be a little loose.
Actually SS and Medicare are not welfare programs, they are entitlement programs. It's more than a small difference. A welfare program you do not pay into, an entitlement you do. Rand was opposed to SS and Medicare as am I but that doesn't mean I am going to walk away from the money I paid into for decades.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 10:59 pm to oklahogjr
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WHY? A lot of people will have varying opinions, but BHO and the policies of the left certainly are NOT helping as far as we can tell. Make conditions better and people with money will invest. Harness greed. Don't suppress it. That's impossible.
Obama isn't helping anything, the republicans are to busy worrying that Obama is going to do something to actually do anything, and in the mean time we stagnate. We need leader to come forward soon because i'm not sure I've seen one during my lifetime.
Maybe you can answer this because it's been my question since this shite started. When we got into the lending crisis and the financial bubble popped why didn't we just bail out the people and let them pay off their loans which in turn doesn't cause massive defaults. Worst case scenario is that it's mismanaged as bad as the bail out we passed is except people got houses.
The real problem with that and what we have done is it doesn't provide a consequence for bad behavior. Thus it doesn't discourage those that took bad risks and overextended and it doesn't reward those who took smart risks and didn't overextend. An important part of capitalism is allowing the market to work itself out and allow people to fail while others are able to "buy low" who have the cash to do so. The government needs to GTFO.
That's why the market won't correct in the end. The big money stays on the sidelines because the opportunity to buy low and make a huge profit is reduced. You have to incentivize risk even if that results in "the rich getting richer".
Posted on 2/4/13 at 11:04 pm to oklahogjr
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to actually do anything, and in the mean time we stagnate
That's our system. Doesnt matter who is the president, doesn't matter who is majority in congress. Our system was set up to make it difficult to accomplish anything.
It will never change in your lifetime.
Posted on 2/5/13 at 12:49 am to undecided
Ayn Rand
Ugly arse man. Sociopath.
Ugly arse man. Sociopath.
Posted on 2/5/13 at 1:10 am to Hog on the Hill
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Communism: clearly a threat to 21st century America.
No kidding, right?
Am I more afraid of government or unregulated corporations (unregulated people)?
Corporations and it's not even close. The US government is the last thing I'm scared of in this world of powerful MNC's, NGO's, IGO's etc. I wish our government was strong enough to stand up to them. But, I guess the revolving door is too big to close.
Ayn Rand...no love for things like the EPA/FDA. Well, that's just awesome. I want a new planet and all these "privatized world of anarchy" people can have at it. I'll watch you eat each other with my telescope.
This post was edited on 2/5/13 at 1:11 am
Posted on 2/5/13 at 6:05 am to Razorologist
I can only imagine what a clusterfrick this thread has turned into. Ayn Rand + SECr - I'm surprised this shite hasn't hit 15 pages yet. I can smell the Libertarian goodness from the general forum.
This post was edited on 2/5/13 at 6:06 am
Posted on 2/5/13 at 6:22 am to aggressor
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Atlas Shrugged is a true masterpiece
Posted on 2/5/13 at 6:47 am to undecided
“There is a time in every man's education when he arrives at the conviction that envy is ignorance; that imitation is suicide; that he must take himself for better for worse as his portion; that though the wide universe is full of good, no kernel of nourishing corn can come to him but through his toil bestowed on that plot of ground which is given to him to till. The power which resides in him is new in nature, and none but he knows what that is which he can do, nor does he know until he has tried. Not for nothing one face, one character, one fact makes much impression on him, and another none. This sculpture in the memory is not without preéstablishcd harmony. The eye was placed where one ray should fall, that it might testify of that particular ray. We but half express ourselves, and are ashamed of that divine idea which each of us represents. It may be safely trusted as proportionate and of good issues, so it be faithfully imparted, but God will not have his work made manifest by cowards. A man is relieved and gay when he has put his heart into his work and done his best; but what he has said or done otherwise shall give hint no peace. It is a deliverance which does not deliver. In the attempt his genius deserts him; no muse befriends; no invention, no hope.”
? Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
? Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
Posted on 2/5/13 at 6:49 am to Crow Pie
Posted on 2/5/13 at 6:52 am to Crow Pie
i have seen it all now.
Posted on 2/5/13 at 7:33 am to aggressor
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FIFY. Conservatives aren't atheists.
If you honestly can read a book like Atlas Shrugged and not see the parallels to the modern world and how private industry reacts to business I feel sorry for you. Fortunately the folks in Texas get it, that's why NY and California businesses and millionaires keep moving here. At some point people get tired of working their arse off and taking risks just so the government can tax it all away, thus Atlas Shrugged.
I beg to differ, sir.
It's the neo-cons that aren't atheists. Republicans are neo-cons. They aren't conservative. Not at all.
Limited government conservatives and constitutionalists don't give a shite what people believe or who they have sex with, or how they have sex, or what they ingest or what they print on money, or what a woman does with her body, or countless other mandates.
Conservatives care about lower taxes and spending less. In everything -- including defense. The government which governs best is that which governs least. Choice rules all. And the more choices the better. Leave the choices to the individual and keep the government's hand out of his pocket.
Posted on 2/5/13 at 7:40 am to aggressor
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Atlas Shrugged is a true masterpiece that everyone should read
"If I wanted to read a book, I'd go to skewl"
Butthead circa 1995.
Posted on 2/5/13 at 7:59 am to troywew
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