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Deer antlers and the difference between NCAA and NFL
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:48 am
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:48 am
Isn't it interesting that for the first time in recent memory, we have a prominent NFL player accused of the same thing as several SEC players...but the attitude toward each level is as if it were a different sport.
In the NFL, nobody is even imagining a sanction against the Ravens. Nobody is talking about "vacated" wins, or competitive advantage, or integrity of the sport. It's all about whether Ray Lewis is guilty and whether HE should be penalized.
In the NCAA, the individual players' actions are almost irrelevant. Nobody is talking about trying to find any other current players who may have participated, and punishing them. Nobody is looking for ways to see that "justice" is done with any of the former players named. It's all about whether the PROGRAMS of these players are under the gun.
I know this is nothing truly new, but this situation really brings out the difference in the NFL and NCAA. Something is clearly wrong when the emphasis is so vastly different on outcomes to potential rules violations.
In the NFL, nobody is even imagining a sanction against the Ravens. Nobody is talking about "vacated" wins, or competitive advantage, or integrity of the sport. It's all about whether Ray Lewis is guilty and whether HE should be penalized.
In the NCAA, the individual players' actions are almost irrelevant. Nobody is talking about trying to find any other current players who may have participated, and punishing them. Nobody is looking for ways to see that "justice" is done with any of the former players named. It's all about whether the PROGRAMS of these players are under the gun.
I know this is nothing truly new, but this situation really brings out the difference in the NFL and NCAA. Something is clearly wrong when the emphasis is so vastly different on outcomes to potential rules violations.
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Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:49 am to Crimson Legend
More passionate fans in CFB. Period.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:56 am to m2pro
I don't think that sums it up. I think the NCAA puts all the accountability on the program and none on the player, while the NFL puts all the accountability on the player and none on the program.
When Belichek was caught reading plays, or the Saints were caught putting bounties on players, no penalities were leveled against the teams. If these were NCAA cases, you'd see major sanctions. On the other hand, imagine if the Sandusky situation happened on an NFL team. I don't think there would be any involved by the league at all, only individual lawsuits against the coach and possibly the franchise, but no league penalties.
There's no way we should have such diametrically opposing approaches in the two organizations.
When Belichek was caught reading plays, or the Saints were caught putting bounties on players, no penalities were leveled against the teams. If these were NCAA cases, you'd see major sanctions. On the other hand, imagine if the Sandusky situation happened on an NFL team. I don't think there would be any involved by the league at all, only individual lawsuits against the coach and possibly the franchise, but no league penalties.
There's no way we should have such diametrically opposing approaches in the two organizations.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:57 am to Crimson Legend
Actually, players in the NCAA who fail drug tests or PED tests are suspended as individuals. The team isn't punished. The only way you'd find the team punished is if the coaches were encouraging it, supplying it, arranging it, etc etc. So it is a lot like the NFL.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:02 am to bigpapamac
The team isn't punished for players failing drug tests BEFORE a game, but any time a player is deemed ineligible, including if they were proven to have taken substances, then the games are forfeited. So the burden is back to the teams.
Nobody has ever suggested that an NFL team forfeit games for one of their players having taken steroids.
Nobody has ever suggested that an NFL team forfeit games for one of their players having taken steroids.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:04 am to Crimson Legend
quote:patriots paid half a million in fines and the saints lost two draft picks
When Belichek was caught reading plays, or the Saints were caught putting bounties on players, no penalities were leveled against the teams.
you have no idea what the frick you're talking about.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:07 am to baytiger
You're right. I had forgotten about the draft picks, so that point is invalid.
As for fines, I'm sure the schools would love to pay fines rather than forfeit scholarships. And I've still never heard of an NFL team "vacating" wins...so while I may not be an expert on NFL history, I still think the point stands.
As for fines, I'm sure the schools would love to pay fines rather than forfeit scholarships. And I've still never heard of an NFL team "vacating" wins...so while I may not be an expert on NFL history, I still think the point stands.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:08 am to Crimson Legend
Wtf are you talking about?
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:09 am to Crimson Legend
Also interesting how Alabama is getting all the hate when there are many others allegedly involved
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:09 am to Crimson Legend
I fail to see how a college program is held liable if they are aware of possible issues, investigated, and used the proper protocol to stop the problem. i.e. We know LSU/UA/AU compliance people knew about the products SWAT was trying to push on the athletes, they obviously investigated the company and they followed NCAA protocol by issuing cease and desist letters to the company. There's really nothing else a college program can do to deter scum-suckers like SWAT.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:10 am to Crimson Legend
Steroids are a big part of college football, at most BCS schools as well.
Marijuana is also a big problem on campuses as well including athletes.
Some schools enforce policies, others don't.
LSU could have looked the other way with several players but they did suspend some and probably worked too hard to keep some in line.
Marijuana is also a big problem on campuses as well including athletes.
Some schools enforce policies, others don't.
LSU could have looked the other way with several players but they did suspend some and probably worked too hard to keep some in line.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:10 am to Crimson Legend
maybe you should take some time away from the SECr and realize most sports media is reporting only on Ray Lewis and antlershit and not mentioning any college teams
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:11 am to Bama54
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Also interesting how Alabama is getting all the hate when there are many others allegedly involved
Who is hating on us? It's a non-story anywhere outside of a few Auburn and LSU fans on this board.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:12 am to Crimson Legend
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but any time a player is deemed ineligible, including if they were proven to have taken substances, then the games are forfeited.
And thus, your self worth diminished.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:12 am to Bama54
quote:Embrace the hate dude. It's been this way for the past few years, and as long as Saban has this machine running at precision, it will continue. Just sit back and enjoy the ride, and smile at the millions of Bama haters.
Also interesting how Alabama is getting all the hate when there are many others allegedly involved
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:15 am to nicholastiger
They could put growth hormone on their shoelaces and it would do as much good as spraying the "Antler Spray" in their mouth.
Did this spray make Alabama miss field goals in the 9-6 game when the Tigers took it?
Did the same spray turn LSUs play calling into the worst in the modern era in the rematch?
Eddie Lacey is 10 times more ripped than either of these clowns and they MUST be on this wonderful spray.
Per the ESPN article and the quote midway down from a medical expert:
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Did this spray make Alabama miss field goals in the 9-6 game when the Tigers took it?
Did the same spray turn LSUs play calling into the worst in the modern era in the rematch?
Eddie Lacey is 10 times more ripped than either of these clowns and they MUST be on this wonderful spray.
Per the ESPN article and the quote midway down from a medical expert:
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This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 11:16 am
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:18 am to austintider
ONLY deranged Notre Dame fans and Manti Teo would believe this spray could affect the game.
The NFL will brush this off and so will the NCAA when they see the truth behind these parasites.
The NFL will brush this off and so will the NCAA when they see the truth behind these parasites.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:19 am to Grateful Reb
Actually, my self worth is based specifically on Alabama kicking the crap out of Ole Miss every year, so there's no danger of any inferiority complexes over here any time soon.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:20 am to Crimson Legend
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When Belichek was caught reading plays, or the Saints were caught putting bounties on players, no penalities were leveled against the teams.
draft picks lost
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:24 am to RonFNSwanson
And fines against the teams.
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