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OK Kennedy blowers...what's your excuse NOW?
Posted on 1/26/13 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 1/26/13 at 7:04 pm
Just lost to the two worst teams in the SEC in back-to-back games.
I'm still standing by my 5-13 prediction.
I'm still standing by my 5-13 prediction.
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Posted on 1/26/13 at 7:12 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
4-14, he will luck into a job saving win, take it to the bank.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 7:15 pm to SanMexicoAggie08
My 5-13 prediction included today's game.
We'll win against Mississippi State and the Watkins curse will get us one win.
Win #5 will either be Vanderbilt or Auburn.
We'll win against Mississippi State and the Watkins curse will get us one win.
Win #5 will either be Vanderbilt or Auburn.
This post was edited on 1/26/13 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 1/26/13 at 7:15 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Kennedy blowers
Really? Grow up. I think pretty much everyone has been unhappy with Kennedy.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 7:16 pm to Farmer1906
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Really? Grow up. I think pretty much everyone has been unhappy with Kennedy.
There are two specific posters that have blamed everyone else but Kennedy for our troubles, including someone who said that Fabyon Harris wasn't much better than DASH Harris.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 7:23 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Harris is better than Dash, but its not night and day. both are pretty average.
Dash made up his defense, intensity, and leadership what he lacked in a shot.
Dash made up his defense, intensity, and leadership what he lacked in a shot.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 7:31 pm to Farmer1906
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Dash made up his defense, intensity, and leadership what he lacked in a shot.
I'll give you the first one, but not the other two. It seems that FH12 is the only one who gives a shite on many of our plays...not to mention that the opposing defenses would literally not guard Dash.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 7:40 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:So true. Nothing grinds your offense to a halt faster than having Dash at point. He could get any open shot because opposing defenses would invite the opportunity.
not to mention that the opposing defenses would literally not guard Dash.
Under 30% from the field, under 50% from the line. All of this coming from your starting PG.
This post was edited on 1/26/13 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:01 pm to ImperialPalace
I am watching a team that completely lacks in mental toughness. And I see it getting worse. No leadership from anywhere, including the coaching staff.
The problems are getting worse. And since it appears that they will not improve, I have now moved into the camp that wants to see a coaching change at the end of the season.
I wanted Kennedy to succeed here. But it's not. Assign him to something else within the university so he can take care of himself physically and his family. And let's move on.
The problems are getting worse. And since it appears that they will not improve, I have now moved into the camp that wants to see a coaching change at the end of the season.
I wanted Kennedy to succeed here. But it's not. Assign him to something else within the university so he can take care of himself physically and his family. And let's move on.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:07 pm to Slotback
What I can't forgive is the fact that there seems to be absolutely no accountability.
Every press conference Kennedy blames the players and bemoans the "lack of talent".
Turgeon would call out specific players WHILE STILL WINNING 23-25 GAMES/SEASON.
Gillispie would mention specific things we were doing wrong and that he will address those things with the players responsible.
Watkins just claimed that no one could win at A&M and then took credit when Gillispie did.
I thought that Kennedy resembled Sherman, but he's starting to move closer to Franchione with his habit of throwing our players under the bus.
Every press conference Kennedy blames the players and bemoans the "lack of talent".
Turgeon would call out specific players WHILE STILL WINNING 23-25 GAMES/SEASON.
Gillispie would mention specific things we were doing wrong and that he will address those things with the players responsible.
Watkins just claimed that no one could win at A&M and then took credit when Gillispie did.
I thought that Kennedy resembled Sherman, but he's starting to move closer to Franchione with his habit of throwing our players under the bus.
This post was edited on 1/26/13 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:39 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Fabyon isn't much better than Dash and I've already told you exactly why I feel that way.
and by the way, I never said I thought this team was going to be any good so I don't know why you have to post a "What's your excuse now?" thread after every loss.
People have already told you we don't think the team's talent level is very high and don't expect a lot of wins. Why is that so hard to understand?
All you're doing is looking like childish jackass by continuing to make threads like this.
again, I never expected much from this team thus I don't see a reason to freak out about it. If they are still terrible after year three I'll feel they may need to move in a different direction.
But to only give two years to clean up the mess that was left is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 1/26/13 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 1/26/13 at 11:23 pm to Dr RC
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People have already told you we don't think the team's talent level is very high and don't expect a lot of wins. Why is that so hard to understand?
We shouldn't expect wins at home against the worst team in the SEC?
Do you really not understand how putrid the SEC is in basketball?
As "untalented" as this team is, they have enough talent to beat Southern, Georgia, Mississippi State, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina and clearly had enough talent to beat Kentucky and Arkansas.
The fact that this team will be LUCKY to go over .500 overall (needing only 6 conference wins) is beyond pathetic.
A slightly above average coach would have us 4-2 in conference right now with our two losses being Florida and one of the road games.
Not to mention the true mark of a bad coach...the team is getting progressively worse.
If you watched the game tonight, you'd remember that we were down 17 at one point in the second half...to Georgia.
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If they are still terrible after year three I'll feel they may need to move in a different direction.
If there is a year three of this, we may never recover. Melvin Watkins bought himself two more years when he beat t.u. in Austin and even then it took an 0-16 conference record and a change of athletic director to get him to resign.
This post was edited on 1/26/13 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:43 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Definitely an underrated UGA squad. Kennedy will pull it together pretty quick. I'm expecting 9-10 wins out of the next 12.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 12:50 am to Projectpat
Now we know that you're smoking Kennedy's pole.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 4:46 am to Mr. Elvert
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Now we know that you're smoking Kennedy's pole.
He's deliberately trolling. Dr. RC on the other hand...
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:16 am to CGSC Lobotomy
I wasn't a fan of Fabyon at the beginning of the year ... he was worse than useless up until a few weeks ago.
And I am sure that I am one of your "two posters" yet you consistently misrepresent my argument. I am not "blaming everything but Kennedy" I just realize that it isn't all coaching that is our problem.
No amount of coaching is going to fix some of our issues.
1) Ray sucks ... period ... he is athletic but has absolutely no basketball IQ. He hasn't regressed under Kennedy, your savior Turge couldn't get shite out of Ray either.
2) We have a serious lack of experience. You can not snap your fingers and make players adjust to the D1 game. You are seeing Harris finally start to play better and adjust to the game, Young, Reese and Caruso aren't there yet.
3) You have absolutely zero depth in the post. We do not even have 2 serviceable starters. Kourtney is good but the lack of talent at the PF position means that teams can focus on shutting down Kourtney and ignore who ever we have in the PF position.
None of that is coaching. Our Guard play has been up and down but has gotten better. It is possible to improve even in a loss.
Tell me what you would have done to this coach in his first 3 years:
Year 1 - 6-25, 1-17 Conf
Year 2 - 10-21, 4-14
Year 3 - 12-20, 3-15
Would you have fired him too? Probably. That is Tom Crean who then went 27-9 and now has his team 18-2, Tom Crean who averaged 23 wins for the 6 seasons before getting to Indiana had three totally crap seasons before being good. And he didn't even have 3 "ok" seasons, it was 3 crap season, I mean total shite seasons before being good.
Is Kennedy = Crean ... hell no, no one will make that argument but he was able to buidl SE Louisiana into a school that put together two 20 win seasons and made the NCAA, then did the same with Murray State, neither of which would be considered nearly the programs that Marquette is that Crean had to work with.
Am I pissed off with the losses, hell yes, am I pissed off that our offense seems to preclude our guards from actually attacking the basket, hell yes. But we are playing good solid defense more often than not and there are multiple compounding issues that effect our offensive play outside of coaching.
And you aren't even considering that there is a low likelihood of getting anything better in right now. What coach will want to come in KNOWING our APR issues? Or KNOWING that he won't get any amount of time to turn the program around before getting the boot?
I am of the opinion that he needs to be given one more year to get us to the dance before we push him out the door, there are others I talk to who are more "in the know" than I am who will swear up and down to you that Hyman plans to give him 2 more years before making a move. Either way most REASONABLE people understand that making a move at the end of THIS year will not yield better results in a coaching search.
And I am sure that I am one of your "two posters" yet you consistently misrepresent my argument. I am not "blaming everything but Kennedy" I just realize that it isn't all coaching that is our problem.
No amount of coaching is going to fix some of our issues.
1) Ray sucks ... period ... he is athletic but has absolutely no basketball IQ. He hasn't regressed under Kennedy, your savior Turge couldn't get shite out of Ray either.
2) We have a serious lack of experience. You can not snap your fingers and make players adjust to the D1 game. You are seeing Harris finally start to play better and adjust to the game, Young, Reese and Caruso aren't there yet.
3) You have absolutely zero depth in the post. We do not even have 2 serviceable starters. Kourtney is good but the lack of talent at the PF position means that teams can focus on shutting down Kourtney and ignore who ever we have in the PF position.
None of that is coaching. Our Guard play has been up and down but has gotten better. It is possible to improve even in a loss.
Tell me what you would have done to this coach in his first 3 years:
Year 1 - 6-25, 1-17 Conf
Year 2 - 10-21, 4-14
Year 3 - 12-20, 3-15
Would you have fired him too? Probably. That is Tom Crean who then went 27-9 and now has his team 18-2, Tom Crean who averaged 23 wins for the 6 seasons before getting to Indiana had three totally crap seasons before being good. And he didn't even have 3 "ok" seasons, it was 3 crap season, I mean total shite seasons before being good.
Is Kennedy = Crean ... hell no, no one will make that argument but he was able to buidl SE Louisiana into a school that put together two 20 win seasons and made the NCAA, then did the same with Murray State, neither of which would be considered nearly the programs that Marquette is that Crean had to work with.
Am I pissed off with the losses, hell yes, am I pissed off that our offense seems to preclude our guards from actually attacking the basket, hell yes. But we are playing good solid defense more often than not and there are multiple compounding issues that effect our offensive play outside of coaching.
And you aren't even considering that there is a low likelihood of getting anything better in right now. What coach will want to come in KNOWING our APR issues? Or KNOWING that he won't get any amount of time to turn the program around before getting the boot?
I am of the opinion that he needs to be given one more year to get us to the dance before we push him out the door, there are others I talk to who are more "in the know" than I am who will swear up and down to you that Hyman plans to give him 2 more years before making a move. Either way most REASONABLE people understand that making a move at the end of THIS year will not yield better results in a coaching search.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:43 am to BigAggie06
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Tell me what you would have done to this coach in his first 3 years:
Year 1 - 6-25, 1-17 Conf
Year 2 - 10-21, 4-14
Year 3 - 12-20, 3-15
So tell me what probation and NCAA sanctions that A&M is on right now if you're going to attempt to equate Tom Crean to Billy Kennedy.
Also, two more things:
1. There was clear improvement between year 1 and 2 and year 2 and 3. This was in the Big Ten, a FAR BETTER basketball league than the SEC.
2. A program like Indiana (basketball royalty) can survive a couple of bad years. A program like A&M cannot.
This post was edited on 1/28/13 at 8:11 am
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:15 am to CGSC Lobotomy
In what world is NCAA sanctions ever a justification for going 6-25?
How did Crean build the program? Through recruiting classes which consistently got better. There is very little that sanctions will actually do to basketball. They were not put on a post season ban and they self imposed scholarship reductions, we have essentially self imposed scholarship reductions if you believe that Kennedy "ran off" all the players that left.
Ok throw out his first year in which he had a roster of no bodies ... year 2 and 3 what was his issue? 2009 he added 3 4* freshmen and he had a slew of 3* stars that he added in 2008,09 and 10 .. how exactly was his situation any different in his 2nd and 3rd year than BKs?
The scholarship limits weren't hurting them. He was a good coach with a team consisting largely of kids playing their first year of D1 basketball.
Don't try to act like the IU fans looked at the "sanctions" they received and said "oh that excuses our shitty record" no they were just as pissed as we are but after given a chance to get players he wanted into the system and let them mature some he kicked it up and delivered.
The simple fact that you think we were left with a team that should have gone to the tournament despite the injuries we had to deal last year with shows that you are not reasonable. Quote being picked to win the Big 12 all you want, no coach would have been able to live up to those expectations last year. Turgeon's players obviously wanted to play for Turgeon so they left ... none of them are major losses except for Branch but it still leaves us depleted.
How did Crean build the program? Through recruiting classes which consistently got better. There is very little that sanctions will actually do to basketball. They were not put on a post season ban and they self imposed scholarship reductions, we have essentially self imposed scholarship reductions if you believe that Kennedy "ran off" all the players that left.
Ok throw out his first year in which he had a roster of no bodies ... year 2 and 3 what was his issue? 2009 he added 3 4* freshmen and he had a slew of 3* stars that he added in 2008,09 and 10 .. how exactly was his situation any different in his 2nd and 3rd year than BKs?
The scholarship limits weren't hurting them. He was a good coach with a team consisting largely of kids playing their first year of D1 basketball.
Don't try to act like the IU fans looked at the "sanctions" they received and said "oh that excuses our shitty record" no they were just as pissed as we are but after given a chance to get players he wanted into the system and let them mature some he kicked it up and delivered.
The simple fact that you think we were left with a team that should have gone to the tournament despite the injuries we had to deal last year with shows that you are not reasonable. Quote being picked to win the Big 12 all you want, no coach would have been able to live up to those expectations last year. Turgeon's players obviously wanted to play for Turgeon so they left ... none of them are major losses except for Branch but it still leaves us depleted.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:39 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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2. A program like Indiana (basketball royalty) can survive a couple of bad years. A program like A&M cannot.
So you are admitting that we are not "basketball royalty" yet setting expectations of basketball royalty (must be in the dance every year)
Did you actually WATCH the game this weekend? Outside of Ray Turner and a bad stretch to start the 2nd half ... what are your major complaints?
Roberson had a good game, ET had a decent game, Harris had a good game, Young had an outstanding game for Young, Caruso played well, Reese was down and got sat in favor of Caruso.
They played better against the press than they did vs LSU. The players played with "heart" which you always like to say they don't have. They played with a ton of energy.
UGA's "run" was 3 minutes 16-2 run in which our only points were 2 free throws by Young. The first part of the run was 3, 3, layup we called a time out. We come our Young get his two FTs they make a 3 pointer then Official Timeout then they make a 3 and another layup. In that span our offenses wasn't "ineffective" we took 5 three point attempts 1 by Reese, 2 by Harris, 2 by Elston ... only 2 of those shots could be called poor shot selection, the ball just didn't go down.
During their run they had very few quick shots, the guys were playing good defense and made them go deep into the shot clock and they were just hitting their shots.
So that was our worst stretch and you can't even make an argument for poor coaching there. Poor coaching doesn't make a team that has been shooting 70%+ FTs and all of a sudden make them shoot only 50%.
We made good half time adjustments, we were in Foul trouble in the first half and came out the second played smarter and got UGA into foul trouble.
Last game wasn't perfectly called from a coaching stand point but if we hit our regular FT % or if any of our players could make an open shot we would have won.
Now you are going to claim that poor shooting is somehow coaching I am sure, I have see that argument before, but for some reason that only applies to guys who haven't shown they could be good shooters, if Elston has an off night it is just that Elston was having an off night, no one blames that on coach, but if Reese and Caruso can't buy a bucket then it is all just this horrible coaching they are getting.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:49 am to BigAggie06
If the offensive scheme doesn't fit the talent on the roster, that's on the coaches.
As a coach, you don't say stupid shite in press conferences like "we need more talent before we can get better" and expect to not be held accountable for it.
If I'm a player, I'm sure I really want to play for a guy that is whining that we're not talented enough. That's really going to "motivate" me to get better.
As a coach, you don't say stupid shite in press conferences like "we need more talent before we can get better" and expect to not be held accountable for it.
If I'm a player, I'm sure I really want to play for a guy that is whining that we're not talented enough. That's really going to "motivate" me to get better.
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