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re: TAMU Track Quickly Asserting Itself As the Class of the SEC.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:40 pm to Bob Ag
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:40 pm to Bob Ag
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The point is, you can't just dismiss the 58-10 arse whipping just because you didn't like the head coach your administration picked.
isnt this exactly what yall have been doing the previous THREE years?
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:44 pm to Bob Ag
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I love this one, but seriously, we are 3-3 in the last 22 years. Dont shite your pants.
Do you like apples?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:46 pm to bpfergu
Straw-man overload.
Sorry, it's just that players with a semblance of talent, no matter how unmotivated, typically don't prefer getting their heads kicked in week after week.
If that had been my point, then yes, that would be a correct statement.
Unfortunately, we're discussing the problems of A&M's 2011 season and Arky's 2012 season. Thus the sweeping assertion "if A&M doesn't do well" is just a distortion.
Not at all what I said. I said Sherman's 2011 win total--a grand total of two more than JLS in 2012--does not unequivocally mean Sherman's a significantly better coach. Particularly when Sherman's two more wins came against competition inferior to what JLS faced.
Just a predictable over-simplification of the point.
What's more, you'd agree that the difference in the tally of wins, when considered in the vacuum of two distinct seasons, can not provide conclusive proof as to who is the better coach, yes? Or are you suggesting that Arkansas fired a better coach than Nick Saban? After all, the year he was fired, Nutt had more wins than little Nicky that season.
Try to read and think. I know lazy distortions and sweeping statements is the sine qua non of Arkansas argumentation, but we get bored; need y'all to step up.
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So let me get this straight: you are trying to argue that having a lead going late into the fourth quarter symbolizes WORSE coaching than being down by 4 TDs going into the fourth quarter? Hysterical. Absolutely hyserical.
Sorry, it's just that players with a semblance of talent, no matter how unmotivated, typically don't prefer getting their heads kicked in week after week.
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So basically, if A&M doesn't do well it is because of coaching but if Arkansas doesn't do well it is because of lack of talent? Am I understanding that correctly?
If that had been my point, then yes, that would be a correct statement.
Unfortunately, we're discussing the problems of A&M's 2011 season and Arky's 2012 season. Thus the sweeping assertion "if A&M doesn't do well" is just a distortion.
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And now you are saying that a coach who wins more isn't the better coach? You Aggies truly are unbelievable sometimes.
Not at all what I said. I said Sherman's 2011 win total--a grand total of two more than JLS in 2012--does not unequivocally mean Sherman's a significantly better coach. Particularly when Sherman's two more wins came against competition inferior to what JLS faced.
Just a predictable over-simplification of the point.
What's more, you'd agree that the difference in the tally of wins, when considered in the vacuum of two distinct seasons, can not provide conclusive proof as to who is the better coach, yes? Or are you suggesting that Arkansas fired a better coach than Nick Saban? After all, the year he was fired, Nutt had more wins than little Nicky that season.
Try to read and think. I know lazy distortions and sweeping statements is the sine qua non of Arkansas argumentation, but we get bored; need y'all to step up.
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:49 pm to Bob Ag
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The point is, you can't just dismiss the 58-10 arse whipping just because you didn't like the head coach your administration picked.
You cant just dismiss the 35 wins Arkansas has over aTm the last 50 meetings, just because you have been shitty.
How do you like those apples?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:49 pm to DWag215
who gives a shite- jls is gone.
and if we're playing aggie games since he is gone then we needn't even worry about that game this past season. it's like it never happened because we now have a new coach.
and if we're playing aggie games since he is gone then we needn't even worry about that game this past season. it's like it never happened because we now have a new coach.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:49 pm to Stonehog
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Damn, Hawgeye making the OP look like a bitch.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:51 pm to piggilicious
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and if we're playing aggie games since he is gone then we needn't even worry about that game this past season. it's like it never happened because we now have a new coach.
I'll play that, no problem.
In fact, I take no exception with moving forward as if Mike Sherman "never happened because we now have a new coach."
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:52 pm to DWag215
But shite, we can talk recent history then.
Best decade of Aggie football, Arkansas led that decade series 7-3.
Best decade of Aggie football, Arkansas led that decade series 7-3.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:53 pm to Hawgeye
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But shite, we can talk recent history then.
We can, sure.
Or we can talk reality--what we're seeing now.
Naturally, I understand that's a place from which y'all prefer to stay away.
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 1/21/13 at 3:57 pm to DWag215
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Sorry, it's just that players with a semblance of talent, no matter how unmotivated, typically don't prefer getting their heads kicked in week after week.
Gotcha. So it has to do with the players, not the coaching. JLS being our coach had nothing to do with us losing games. His brilliant display of playcalling ability, especially in close games such as LSU, definitely didn't play a part in us losing that. Him being there instead of Petrino was an excellent way to help Tyler Wilson further develop his talent.
However, with A&M, it was completely the coaches fault. Who cares if that team had numerous NFL draft picks, and was loaded with experienced, skilled players. That has nothing to do with coaching, right?
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If that had been my point, then yes, that would be a correct statement.
Unfortunately, we're discussing the problems of A&M's 2011 season and Arky's 2012 season. Thus the sweeping assertion "if A&M doesn't do well" is just a distortion.
Your statement is flat-out wrong.
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Not at all what I said. I said Sherman's 2011 win total--a grand total of two more than JLS in 2012--does not unequivocally mean Sherman's a significantly better coach. Particularly when Sherman's two more wins came against competition inferior to what JLS faced.
Just a predictable over-simplification of the point.
What's more, you'd agree that the difference in the tally of wins, when considered in the vacuum of two distinct seasons, can not provide conclusive proof as to who is the better coach, yes? Or are you suggesting that Arkansas fired a better coach than Nick Saban? After all, the year he was fired, Nutt had more wins than little Nicky that season.
Try to read and think. I know lazy distortions and sweeping statements is the sine qua non of Arkansas argumentation, but we get bored; need y'all to step up.
Saban didn't acquire the personnel that JLS did. Saban didn't come into an experienced offense with a fully-intact coaching staff. Saban didn't take over a top-10 team. Comparing the two is ridiculous.
However, comparing the seasons of JLS from last year and your team under Sherman 2 years ago is a good comparison. Both came back with high expectations and plenty of experience, with one staying close in every game and making a bowl, and the other getting blown out almost every game and only winning 4 games.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 4:05 pm to bpfergu
I simply can't make you read any better, friend.
But I'm willing to handicap the discussion for you.
And it seems that since you're now willing to accept the idea that "winning more" in one season doesn't clinch an argument for the supposed better coach, I'll bring us back to where we started.
Winning 6 games in the big 12 with a team ranked in the preseason top-10, cannot be mistaken by any reasonable mind as determinative evidence that said coach is significantly better than one who wins two less games in the SEC (with a similar preseason ranking).
Just a quick addendum:
In your estimation, what's missing above from the equation of success? It seems you've addressed personnel accurately. So what could it be?
But I'm willing to handicap the discussion for you.
And it seems that since you're now willing to accept the idea that "winning more" in one season doesn't clinch an argument for the supposed better coach, I'll bring us back to where we started.
Winning 6 games in the big 12 with a team ranked in the preseason top-10, cannot be mistaken by any reasonable mind as determinative evidence that said coach is significantly better than one who wins two less games in the SEC (with a similar preseason ranking).
Just a quick addendum:
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However, with A&M, it was completely the coaches fault. Who cares if that team had numerous NFL draft picks, and was loaded with experienced, skilled players.
In your estimation, what's missing above from the equation of success? It seems you've addressed personnel accurately. So what could it be?
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 1/21/13 at 4:07 pm to DWag215
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Naturally, I understand that's a place from which y'all prefer to stay away.
your one season (that ended in a cotton bowl victory on top of it all) really is amazing. 
Posted on 1/21/13 at 4:08 pm to DWag215
sherman got a job in the NFL and had enough influence to draft his own QB.
JLS went to coaching hell.
JLS went to coaching hell.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 4:08 pm to DWag215
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I simply can't make you read any better, friend.
But I'm willing to handicap the discussion for you.
And it seems that since yours now willing to accept the idea that "winning more" in one season doesn't clinch an argument for the supposed better coach, I'll bring us back to where we started.
Winning 6 games in the big 12 with a team ranked in the preseason top-10, cannot be mistaken by any reasonable mind as determinative evidence that said coach is significantly better than one who wins two less games in the SEC (with a similar preseason ranking).
I am perfectly capable of reading, pal.
Let's see what the Rant thinks!
Posted on 1/21/13 at 4:11 pm to cigsmcgee
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sherman got a job in the NFL and had enough influence to draft his own QB.
Now here--this here is a great thought.
I too agree that NFL execs don't hesitate to place their futures exclusively in the hands of former, also-ran NFL coaches.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 4:12 pm to bpfergu
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Let's see what the Rant thinks!
Ahh...the infallible voice of objectivity and reason!
Good call.
Something to aid in the decision-making: Sherman won as many games as he lost as a college head coach. Johnelle has somewhat healthy 59% winning percentage.
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 1/21/13 at 4:15 pm to DWag215
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Ahh...the infallible voice of objectivity and reason!
Good call.
Texas A&M - Thinking they are above every one else, 137 years and counting
Posted on 1/21/13 at 4:19 pm to DWag215
How the frick has a track thread gone six pages?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 4:41 pm to bpfergu
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41-25-3 is all I need to hear. We are a better program than you. DWI.
and BOOOMM!!!!!!
So the Fact that LSU's all time win % over Arkansas is greater than Arkansas win% over Texas A&M would mean.....
Ark vs A&M: 41-25-3 = 61.5%
LSU vs Ark: 36-20-2 = 63.8%
Posted on 1/21/13 at 4:46 pm to cigsmcgee
nm
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 4:48 pm
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